Talk:Unto Us Is Born a Son

A fact from Unto Us Is Born a Son appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 December 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that although first published in the 1582 songbook Piae Cantiones (pictured), the Christmas carol Unto Us is Born a Son may be derived from 12th and 13th century French organum repertories?

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Proposed title change[edit]

I suggest that the title of this page should be changed to "Unto us a boy is born", on the grounds that this is the first line of the English version (the Percy Dearmer translation) that is much more commonly used, as witness:

According to hymnary.org, the most comprehensive index to hymn books in use in North America and Australia, the Dearmer translation is used in 31 hymn books; the alternative translation by George Ratcliffe Woodward is used in only 4. From my own experience of hymn books in use in the UK, the same would be true here.
Google search for the two phrases reveals about 265,000 results for "Unto Us is Born a Son" but 445,000 for "Unto us a boy is born".

However I will take no action until others interested have had a chance to comment. seglea (talk) 21:54, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I don't have any particularly strong feelings either way - both translations are just as valid. I think the reason I went for this one is that "Unto us a boy is born" sounded more like the opening of Handel's Messiah than this translation, but primarily because it's the one I'm familiar with from Willcocks' arrangement in Carols for Choirs. I suppose were it not for the fact that nobody would ever search for it, the Latin name is technically the proper name for the article, like Personent Hodie for example. Rob (talk) 23:26, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Latin doesn't match source[edit]

The Latin text is attached to footnote 9. But the text on this page doesn't match the Latin at the footnote 9 source, nor does it match the photo of the actual 1582 text.

User:Rob~enwiki typed out this Latin text in the very first version of this article (2010), so it seems a shame to replace it. But unless there's an objection, I think that the Latin in this article should match what the footnoted source has. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 06:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm yes you're right, needless to say I can't quite remember quite where it was from 12 years ago, so not sure why there's a discrepancy there. Anyway, that should be amended now. Rob (talk) 16:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]