Talk:Ural Airlines Flight 178

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Destination[edit]

As Crimeas status is disputed, I changed the destination to be in Crimea (neither Ukraine nor Russia). Then that dispute can hopefully be left out of the article. -- 188.151.51.78 (talk) 11:39, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See also section[edit]

I've removed two accidents caused by ice ingestion. IMvHO, the three accidents now left are sufficient. Mjroots (talk) 17:21, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Per WP:BRD, starting a discussion here. Why should that information be included? Keep in mind that the subject of this article is an airplane crash, not some controversial Ukrainian website... 107.190.33.254 (talk) 21:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am aware of the disputes between Russia and Ukraine, but they have nothing to do with this article... 107.190.33.254 (talk) 21:59, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it has immediately to do with the article: all world praises the pilots, while Ukraine lists them on the witch-hunt website. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:17, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's not our problem, (your argument appears to be WP:SYNTH at best) and thus we are in no need to report it (WP:NOTNEWS), especially when it shines by it's lack of significant mention in more sources (the website of the Ukrainian organization is WP:PRIMARY and doesn't warrant it's POV being reported, and the Russian source only has a short story on the matter - so we should avoid mentioning it so as not to give it WP:UNDUE weight). In any case, when it is not crucial to the subject (and, in this case, it clearly has no significant impact), it is better to avoid any statements which are controversial, even more so when their origin is WP:FRINGE. 107.190.33.254 (talk) 00:39, 4 September 2019 (UTC) Edit: see also the above section about "Destination" - I think that is a right way to proceed, and we should keep the Crimea dispute ("broadly construed") out of this article (especially since the link is rather tenuous... merely because the flight was headed to Crimea does not suddenly make this a part of the conflict). 107.190.33.254 (talk) 00:42, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PRIMARY was used here to confirm the fact reported in in secondary source. Yes is is a short, but glaring story, widely circulated in Rusian media. Yes, it is crucial for subject: the crew is under the threat in a whole country. FYI some journalists were killed after landing in Mirotvorets, while other people were severely harassed by ukronazis. And there is no controversy: a plain fact readers can judge for themselves. Yes, merely because the flight was headed to Crimea makes it a violation of Ukrainian law; moreover, I remember a Russian ship or two were seized because among its destinations were Crimean ports, or something. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Hell, this was reported even by BBC! (ref added). Staszek Lem (talk) 02:33, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The crew being "under threat in a whole country" is relevant to the crew, but not to the flight. The BBC gives it a short paragraph. The talk about "ukronazis" doesn't go in the article in any case, so while your opinion has been politely noted, it is not necessary. I have changed what is in the article to match better with the BBC article (since that is an truly independent source which can be trusted for stuff like this)... 107.190.33.254 (talk) 03:33, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

is relevant to the crew, but not to the flight -- bullshit. Let's delete the section "Crew", then. BBC? Independent? It was long time ago when BBC was a true example if true journalism. Now it is full of fake news and political bias. No further disagreement, anyway. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:59, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article as it currently stands is acceptable. We report good, and bad, on both sides, without bias for or against, but neutrally. Mjroots (talk) 17:55, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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