Talk:Verghese Kurien/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Magentic Manifestations (talk · contribs) 13:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: That Tired Tarantula (talk · contribs) 06:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I'll be reviewing this article during this week. That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 05:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@That Tired Tarantula Thanks for taking this up. Will address the comments as they come. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 08:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

First look

Criteria

• No maintenance templates: Y
• Relavent images are present: Y
• No recent edit wars: Y
• Nominator is a signifcant contributor: Y

Copyright

• No copyright violations/plagiarism: There's one sentence in the lead and nationwide expansion section ("In 1979, he founded the Institute of Rural Management Anand (IRMA) to groom managers for the cooperatives.") that's copied from the Hindustan Times, so it needs to be reworded. Other than that, there's no copyvios. Y
• Also, sorry, I only noticed this just now, but the third sentence in the section about Kurien's other work is copied from Lokmarg; it'll have to be reworded as well.
• Images are free (unless a rationale is given if they are not) and tagged: * Images are free (unless a rationale is given if they are not) and tagged: In the last two images' rationales (which need to be tagged as having rationales, because currently, there's a rationale given, but there's a tag on the files with instructions for adding how a rationale has been given in a template), it says that the images should be used to represent a gathering of individuals who are deceased and for whom there is no known representation under a free license, but there is an image similar to the second image in the article that is under a CC license in Commons, so using the image that is currently in the article violates fair use.

I am bit confused. If my understanding is right, as it states that "and for whom there is no known representation under a 'free' license" and there is an another image, it violates the copyright, right? So, I will remove the image and that will solve the problem?

Yes, the image needs to be replaced. That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 00:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC) Y

Thanks for removing the other image; could you please add the image on Commons to the article so that it can be used instead? That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 19:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Have added the image from commons. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 05:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Prose

Broadness and focus

The article stays on topic and has in-depth coverage of its subject. Looks good

Writing and MoS

There's a couple small errors in the article, but I'll be happy to do cleanup as long as the GA passes. Everything follows MoS, but I think tha it'd be better to rename the death section to be a personal life section, since it also talks about his family and religion.

It would also be good to reformat the chart in the awards section so that way the references have their own column and to move the information in the last sentence in the section to that chart.

Neutrality

Due weight is given and there's no editorialism.

References

Evaluating sources

There's a few sources that might have problems with reliability:

• 1. Britannica is a tertiary source and there's already a secondary source providing that information, so it'll be best to just remove it. Agree it is a tertiary source, have removed it as you mentioned. Y
• 3. This is published by the article's subject.yes, it was authored by the subject and not to be used as self reference. Have provided an independent source. Y
• 17. This source isn't independent, since it was published by Kurien's company. Have provided an additional source to back up the same. Y
• 36. This is also published by the article's subject.It is the same source as #3. As there are two other independent sources, have removed it. Y
• 59. The Times of India is not considered to be reliable. If the same information from independent and more reliable sources can be found, those sources should be used instead. The Times of India is the one of the oldest and highest circulating English daily in India. Having said that, it does not mean reliability as they have advertorials, hence the WP:MREL as per WP:RSP. It might be questionable when addressing contentious subjects, but as a general news source, it is reliable and have been used in hundreds of GAs related to India. As per WP:MREL, as the instance quoted has other citations available, this does not seem to be an issue. Same with a later source for milk day (which has additional sources). If you insist, will remove the particular citation as there are two other citations for the same sentence. Thanks!

Okay. I'd prefer for this source to be replaced, but since it seems like it's alright to use in this instance, I'm fine with it staying. That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 22:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

• 4. The end of this article cites its sources as famouspeople.com and Wikipedia, so it shouldn't be used.

Citation accuracy

There's a few issues that I've noticed:

• 12. The source mentions Verghese Kurien having helped Tribhuvandas Patel but doesn't talk about the dairy equipment being modified.
• 20. Where does the article mention Sardal Patel having been a home minister?
• 21. The source mentions Kurien, but not Tribhuvandas Patel.
• 23 and 24. It could be helpful to give examples of the national interest in the dairy industry's progress from these sources.
• 32. This citation mentions Amul competing against Nestle and Glaxo, but not when, so the word "later" should be removed.
• 38. The source does not mention the NDDB being free of government control as a condition.
• 53. The source mentions Kurien being sent to help in Sri Lanka, but doesn't mention whether or not NDDB was involved.

Sources for these pieces of information should be found or the information should be removed.

Ref layout

I think that the References section could be a little easier to navigate if it had a bibliography section where the books or PDFs that are used multiple times could go and then there could still be citations to them in the references section. For example, the 11th and 14th citations would look like this:

References

Bibliography

Heredia, Ruth (1997). The Amul India Story. New Delhi: Tata Mc-Graw Hill. ISBN 978-0-07463-160-7.

The other citations to that source would be formatted the same way. The rest of the sources without specific page numbers would just go in the regular references section.

Overall

Again, sorry for this review taking longer than usual; I'm fairly new to the review process and this is the longest article that I've reviewed so far. At this point, I think I'll put the GAR on hold so that any issues with sources can be fixed and so the ref layout can be reconfigured, but I'm going to ask for input from a more experienced reviewer before making a final decision. That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 12:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)