Talk:Viceland (Canadian TV channel)

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On December 2016, it was proposed that this article be moved from The Biography Channel (Canada) to Viceland (Canada). The result of the discussion was page moved.

Requested move 28 December 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) st 170e 18:28, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Biography Channel (Canada) → Viceland (Canada) – I am proposing a merge of Viceland (Canada) article with the The Biography Channel (Canada) article so that the information relating to The Biography Channel (Canada) will be included within the new Viceland (Canada) article. The rationale for having an article titled Viceland (Canada) with information from The Biography Channel (Canada) is that both channels are the same - Viceland was rebranded from The Biography Channel (Bio) in Canada. Countless other similar articles relating to Canadian TV channels, once they have changed their name and the programming focus, their articles were moved to the new name and the channel's history was maintained in one article. Examples include 1) CourtTV Canada article merging with Investigation Discovery (Canada) once it rebranded, 2) SexTV: The Channel article merging with W Movies article, and then with Cooking Channel (Canada) article went it rebranded twice, 3) Canadian Learning Television article merged with Oprah Winfrey Network (Canadian TV channel) when it rebranded, 4) Discovery Civilization (Canada) merged with Discovery Science (Canada) when it rebranded, 5) Showcase Diva merged with Lifetime (Canada) when it rebranded, and the list goes on and on. Not only is it common for Canadian channels to have individual articles for their subject, but also for other channels around the world - for example there are separate articles for MTV-branded channels around the world and they are not all included within an umbrella article called MTV - for instance, there are MTV articles for MTV Austria, MTV India, MTV Mandarin, and of course MTV (Canada).

The current set-up with Viceland Canada is that it is contained within the umbrella article Viceland, which makes the suggestion that both Viceland US and Viceland Canada are the same channel, which they are not. Both channels have unique histories, ownerships, etc. and it is lost within the umbrella Viceland article. The two channels' histories and ownerships are entangled and create a confusing article. Both channels are not the same - they have different websites, and they air different shows, and their schedules are not exactly the same.

I request that the channels be merged and that a separate article for Viceland (Canada) be created based upon the content in The Biography Channel (Canada) article, so it can then be expanded to include more content on Viceland Canada channel. musimax. (talk) 15:29, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

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Support – The reasoning is sound, the precedent exists, and the Canadian version is obviously not the same as the US version (cf. BBC America too) —Joeyconnick (talk) 21:08, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'm surprised this hasn't already happened, actually. When it was first announced that this was going to happen, but it hadn't actually happened yet and so there was nothing more to say about it yet than "this will happen", then it made sense to do what was done here — but once the changeover actually happened for real, this article should have been moved and updated. Indeed, the precedent for media outlets is generally that if a thing changes its name we move the existing article rather than maintaining two separate ones — if the article were so long that it required a split for size management purposes, then there'd be a case for using the change of name as the splitpoint, but this article is far from being long enough to require that, and even with the Viceland expansion it still won't be unreasonably long as there's not exactly an entire library's worth of stuff to say about it yet. Bearcat (talk) 17:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – I can't believe how long this has been left alone for. Viceland (Canada) is clearly a rebrand of The Biography Channel (Canada) and should have never merged with the US article. Northwest (talk) 00:01, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – agree with the points above. I believe that initially the U.S. and Canadian schedules were virtually identical (commercials aside) so I could at least understand the practicality of using a single article. At this point though, the schedules have clearly diverged (and there are a few unique shows, like Vice News Tonight, which airs on Viceland Canada but on HBO in the U.S.) so it seems clear the Canadian version should be restored as a separate article. — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 00:36, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

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