Talk:Video vixen/Archives/2015

Deletion debate

• NB The deletion debate also contains an extensive discussion about the title and scope of this article. Kappa 15:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Hip-Hop Video Vixens

This article appears to cover the same topic as Hip hop model. gobonobo ^{+ c} 22:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

@Gobonobo: @MBAILEY004: Gobonobo, a hip hop model is not the same as the figure of the "video vixen in hip hop". My student's page Hip-Hop Video Vixens takes a different, more specific angle from Hip Hop Studies literature. When people are searching for information on video vixens, they are not searching wikipedia for "models". Hip-Hop Video Vixens should be its own page. --JustJess PhD (talk) 15:26, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

@JustJess PhD: Are you sure they're different topics? This article mentions "video vixen" as a synonym in the lede and Steffans' Confessions of a Video Vixen is mentioned in the 'social aspect' section. I think that everything @MBAILEY004: had in the other article could be incorporated into a background section here. And we can always change the title of this article if it misrepresents the topic. gobonobo ^{+ c} 15:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

For some background, this article was originally named Videogirls and was renamed to Women in hip-hop videos after it was nominated for deletion. It was then moved to Hip hop model. gobonobo ^{+ c} 16:12, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

@Gobonobo: Gobonobo, the pages are two different topics. the very idea of them being called models is problematic. the definitions are not even the same or describing the same kind of women; they are not synonymous. my page takes an entirely different angle to video vixens in hip hop and they should two completely different pages. the sections dont even address what my page is going to address and dont fit in to my wiki page and topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MBAILEY004 (talk • contribs) 14:41, April 15, 2015‎

@Gobonobo: the hip hop model page doesnt reference hip hop much at all, while my page looks at video vixens from an academic and hip hop lens. they need to be two different pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MBAILEY004 (talk • contribs) 14:41, April 15, 2015‎

@MBAILEY004: This article is in rather poor shape and could probably benefit from a major overhaul and a change of title, but I'm seeing plenty of references to hip hop. I looked at a revision of your Hip-Hop Video Vixens article and I'm having trouble seeing how it is a discrete topic (despite the different angle). The paragraphs concerning the jezebel stereotype, Baartman and the section for Video vixens in hip hop culture have all been merged to this article. gobonobo ^{+ c} 23:52, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Video vixen listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Video vixen. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. 65.94.43.89 (talk) 09:29, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 17 April 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved, per discussion. Guettarda (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

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Hip hop model → Video vixen – Video vixen seems to be the more common term (WP:COMMONNAME) and more precisely defines the scope of the topic. PutneySwope1 makes some good arguments for the title above in the '"Hip Hop" models?' section. For background, this article was originally titled Videogirls before being moved to Women in hip-hop videos and then to Hip hop model. gobonobo ^{+ c} 02:44, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose: The proposed name seems like an overly cute neologism that is probably not really so commonly used outside of a few sources. It seems like a good phrase to use in a glossy music magazine or as "click bait" in a web headline, but not as an encyclopedic article title. —BarrelProof (talk) 14:23, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

In the scholarly literature on the subject and elsewhere it would seem to be the preferred term. See:

• Story, Kaila Adia. "Performing Venus—From Hottentot to Video Vixen: The Historical Legacy of Black Female Body Commodification." Home girls make some noise: Hip hop feminism anthology (2007).
• Balaji, Murali. "Vixen resistin’: Redefining Black womanhood in hip-hop music videos." Journal of black studies (2008).
• Moor, Ayanah. "Still." Meridians: feminism, race, transnationalism 8.1 (2008): 205-210.
• Confessions of a Video Vixen
• Hurley, Jennifer M. "Music video and the construction of gendered subjectivity (or how being a music video junkie turned me into a feminist)." Popular Music 13.3 (1994): 327-338.

gobonobo ^{+ c} 16:38, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

• Support - I don't particularly like this term "video vixen", it sounds silly, but I think Gobonobo has made the case quite well. Perhaps surprisingly, it is used much more often in books and online sources than "hip hop model" so is a better name for the article.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:18, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
• Support as the common name. Pandeist (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
• Support as the common name. But how does that happen? --JustJess PhD (talk) 16:37, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

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@Guettarda: Could you move this talk page to Talk:Video vixen? Thank you, gobonobo ^{+ c} 02:52, 9 May 2015 (UTC)