Talk:Virtual military

There really should be a standard set for "notable" VMOs, such as "10 years in existence," or "having achieved an award of some sort." Right now it is becoming a spam collection of unknown clans that want free publicity--even though nofollow is added to external links of wikipedia...Tutmeister (talk) 21:22, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Adding notable VMO's

Just my idea of adding links to that section: - Need to exist for like 10 years or more; - Active community; - Not a semi MILSIM or casual clan, just a 100% MILSIM/VM unit.

SnSKiller (talk) 16:38, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I removed this section in response to an e-mail complaint at OTRS questioning why one link had been removed but the others remain. Lists of "notable external links" do not appear to me to fall within the guidelines at WP:ELYES - such a section, even with an arbitrary 10 year existence threshold, is going to be a magnet for spamlinks and complaints so IMHO should be removed to avoid such problems. Perhaps this should be discussed more broadly at WP:ELN.--ukexpat (talk) 16:56, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm already talking with Tutmeister about this, he actually build this page. Possible we remove links and just make it like: VMO, Start Date > End date???, Members count (approx.)

SnSKiller (talk) 07:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

@SnSKiller:, @Ukexpat: This is getting out of hand. We coined the term "Virtual Military" back in 2003 as our group was spawned from a Virtual Airline. I later added this page, with significant edits from fellow leadership, to provide an understanding of what Virtual Military actually means. Specifically, we wanted to define the difference between realism and immersion and was always meant as an objective overview. Now this page serves as a glorified advert, since the "notable" units section is actually longer than the article (and most of those links were either 404 or entirely closed down). I previously recommended units in existence over 10 years might have a place on this list, or places that do something innovative. Right now I recommend this page be cleaned up or deleted. I have cleaned it up to the best of my ability this evening, but I'd like discussion on whether having a notable unit section is even worth it anymore. I don't feel it adds any value, and judging by a lot of the individual edits, folks seem to keep changing information so it leads people back to their group (ITTN I'm looking at you). Tutmeister (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

This is Dragnoxz. Rather than making it so that 10 years or older VMOs are only on the Virtual Military page, why not make a new section, or even an entire new page dedicated to every known Virtual Military, including the disbanded ones ? We could have categories for the faction type, with the kind of games or simulators they operate on, to the virtual world they reside in. Some VM's that I know of have been known to have operate on multiple virtual reality worlds, from the one the ITTN recognizes to the ones USEC or FSX-Force recognize. That right there is three different virtual worlds. I also think the different groups should have their acronyms linked to thier primary web site, so they do get recognition in the community. Someone looking up VMO's to join may be trying to find one they like by looking for one on Wikipedia, this very page. We should better inform the world of these groups, because everyone is different and has a style of VM they may particularly like. We should also try doing surveys on the leaders of these VMO's to determine their political alignment. Who knows, the factions with different political alignments may find it easier to wage a rivalry against another faction of a different political alignment. I will make an example of the type of list at a later time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragnoxz (talk • contribs) 09:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

@Dragnoxz:,@SnSKiller: Once again, the list has outgrown the rest of the page. I keep trimming it down, but as the original author of this page, I am now going to delete the entire section. As noted by Ukexpat back in 2013, it continues to be a spam magnet and does not adhere to Wikipedia guidelines. It was originally intended to link out to individual entities as references to unique features some of them created, but some folks simply are using it as a marketing tool. So to avoid the page being flagged and removed/merged, it will be removed entirely effective immediately. Tutmeister (talk) 14:59, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Virtual military to Virtual Military

It says Virtual military, which does not look formal. Is there a way to change it to Virtual Military, with a capital "M" for Military ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragnoxz (talk • contribs) 03:31, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Organizing VMO Section

The VMO list looks fine, but what if we had a formal list of current factions on line, and the simulator or game platform they operate on ? It may tell more about the individual groups of the list. Should the official definition of a Virtual Military Organization be defined as such, with anything "Virtual" being part of a Simulator or Virtual Reality World ?

Some groups do their own thing, with the only enemy being AI, but some groups are formed in response to another group out of rivalry, effectively putting into context an official organization that engages with truly realistic political affairs, leading to official virtual combat engagements against one another for either territory or different causes or just pure dislike of the other group. Like seen mentioned on the site, some groups are all about realism, and mock or copy real world events or scenarios, but other groups go even further, including hardcore intelligence or espionage missions into rival groups, scheduling behind the scenes with their rival leaders for times to conduct in game warfare scenarios, and even count their assets, the cost of their equipment, funding, recruitment, training, etc.

We could write up an official "How To" in regards of forming factions/VMO's, to expand such potential industry in to something anyone could do, depending on their leadership ability. Regardless, VMO's are one of the first steps for the youth and their choices in joining the military. This could really be something the governments could use as a primary recruitment source.

Regardless, the Virtual Military Wikipedia does not have much in regards to VMO's or how they form and what they do, in detail. I also propose a new page entirely just for "Virtual Military Political World" (VMPW)or Virtual Reality Military Political World (VRMPW). This was a list of such worlds could be listed with each faction of whatever world they operate on, and what each faction/VMO recognizes another. For example, the factions registered on ITTN don't recognize factions outside of the ITTN, but at times may be seen operating with or against groups outside of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragnoxz (talk • contribs) 03:55, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Page Overhaul Idea

Outline

What a VMO is: -A Hobby for Military Enthusiasts -A place to get away from reality -A place to experience a taste of a military environment -A place to train and practice scenarios -A place to learn and have fun with other folks with the same interest

Why they form: -Desire for Excitement -Rivalry Competition -Ideological Representation of a Cause/Nation/Military Branch

How they form (There are many ways, here are a few) -Group of friends gather and organize a structure, recruit outsiders and make web site -Military enthusiasts gather and make a unit for old tie sake, and recruit others to join the experience -College students form a club at their university

Organization: (Basic Structure) -Recruitment -Training -Ranks -Unit Organization -War Games/Operations

Example of Types of VMO's -Land -Sea -Air

Leadership Method: Capitalist Communist Fascist Democratic Dictatorship Theocratic

Independent Vs Social VMO Types

Independent -Does not operate in a VRPW (Uses real world events) -Conducts operation scenarios against human operated AI teams -Simulated Copy of a Real World Unit -Large in Member Numbers -Conduct Fictional Battle Scenarios (Can be repeated multiple times)

Social -Faction is registered on a VRPW (Virtual Military Political World) -Interacts diplomatically with other VMO's -Interacts with virtual civilian entities (virtual airlines, corporations, etc) -Uses true intelligence/espionage networks to gather Intel on rival VMO factions -Factions are completely custom regarding structure and philosophical ideologies -Smaller in member numbers -Actual battle scenarios (battle results are permanent in VRPW)

How VMO's Operate/Wage Wars (Socially Oriented) -Communications -Behind The Scenes -Political Alignment -Border Disputes -Resources