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Change a Lord Vishnu Picture and add a common deception of Vishnu with four attributes .

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Add a beautiful images of God Vishnu. Plz edit anyone.

@Krsnaquli: @Chronikhiles: @Chariotrider555: @Redtigerxyz: 2409:4071:2104:311C:827B:8D73:BE76:E78 (talk) 17:32, 21 April 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree the main infobox image should be Vishnu alone, without the avatars. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a painting by Ravi Varma Press called Shree Vishnu that I think fulfils your criteria. According to one site it's supposedly from the 1920s - 30s. I'm still kind of murky about copyright and domain so I'm not sure how to upload it. Maybe we could get some consensus about this or another painting and try to make sure it will be here to stay before it replaces the current infobox image. Chronikhiles (talk) 03:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Add this image.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hinduism/comments/vlm5a8/lord_vishnu/#lightbox 2409:4071:2104:311C:B51B:6ABB:7159:D504 (talk) 04:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not happening, this is both non-conventional and digital art. Familiarise yourself with Wikipedia:Image use policy before you make suggestions. Chronikhiles (talk) 09:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
File:Vishnu.jpg is a good choice. Is only a picture of Viṣṇu in with four arms, blue skin, and holding conch, discus, mace, and lotus as in typical iconography. Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chariotrider555
propse this image, it's a suitable liscence and perfect image for vishnu infobox
Hegajsm (talk) 00:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)  Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Low resolution though. Chronikhiles (talk) 17:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a higher quality scan. Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:43, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from the dim lighting, I think it could work. Chronikhiles (talk) 07:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. This works. Redtigerxyz Talk 10:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Vishnu from Gita Govinda
@Chronikhiles
Add this image to Wiki, there is beautiful images for other deities, but there is no such image for Vishnu ji, add this image, accept our suggestion
God Vishnu
Vinay viniyl (talk) 14:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is this even public domain or just a random painting of Vishnu from Google? The artist, dating, and copyright status are all absent. We need a good representation plus these details to make an infobox image change stick. Chronikhiles (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Chronikhiles, Chariotrider555 Propose the following image depicts Vishnu with the four attributes, vanamala, Kaustaubh necklace, blue colour and PD:Redtigerxyz Talk 05:47, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/God_Vishnu.jpg Vinay viniyl (talk) 07:49, 28 April 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BBT images are copyrighted Redtigerxyz Talk 11:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
God_Vishnu Vinay viniyl (talk) 08:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Redtigerxyz I think despite the fact that Vishnu isn't generally depicted as seated, the Rajasthan school painting works. Chronikhiles (talk) 11:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am changing for now, until a suitable representation can be found. We may also consider the following: Redtigerxyz Talk 11:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Redtigerxyz, the image you suggest seems to struggle with balancing traditional painting style with Western influence, which is a bit off-putting artistically. Vishnu faces directly toward the viewer, but the artist does not seem to have a strong grasp on painting faces in Western photorealistic style nor proper 3D perspective. I think for an infobox image, the depiction should try to remain within a more firmly traditional depiction of painting or perhaps a pre-modern sculpture or idol of Vishnu. Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on my experience, I think conventional paintings, immaterial of school, are generally the preferred representations of Hindu deities on the infobox. Of course, it's not a rule (Krishna, Lakshmana) but I'd personally be for a painting. Chronikhiles (talk) 07:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In talk page we didn't discuss about this image, we suggest only authentic image,Why you changed the old photo, atleast add previous image idol of Vishnu,see other Hindu deities , can you make changes? This is very propaganda on Vaishnavism.I know you are shaivism, you jealous on Bhagavan Vishnu. Shame on you.
@Redtigerxyz
@Chronikhiles
@joshu Jonathan
@Dougweller
@Chariotrider555
@Hinduism 2409:4071:4D85:A5DC:DC44:72FF:E2F8:2D40 (talk) 12:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lord_Narayana.jpg Vinay viniyl (talk) 08:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC) [reply]
Vishnu Bhagwan.
Vishnu
Vinay viniyl (talk) 08:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This Narayana image was once used in this article and deleted due to sourcing issues. Redtigerxyz Talk 11:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
why you add this ugly old Vishnu image, why you so much jealous on Lord Vishnu. See other Hindu deities in Wikipedia, how beautiful, but you always changes related to Vaishnavism. Wikipedia is not your private property. See and search in Wiki media common, there is so much Vishnu images, upload the one, delete current image, hey red tiger delete it.
@Redtigerxyz
@Chronikhiles
@Chariotrider555
@Joshua Jonathan
@Dougweller
@Krsnaquli 2409:4071:4D85:A5DC:5B60:8CAA:1723:8DC9 (talk) 14:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear anon, The current image is IMO is beautiful; a historical image with a suitable license, the dark blue complexion, the four attributes - shankha chakra padma gada, the vanamala, the kaustaubha. The image was discussed in the discussion above. Please upload an image with suitable license and more beautiful with suitable iconography; we can discuss the same here and change the image. Redtigerxyz Talk 11:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then why not also change God shiva Wikipedia images, then we appreciate it, see everyone as equal, then also change God Vishnu Wiki image as statue, there is so many statue of Vishnu in world eg like garuda wisnu , Angkor wat, etc ...... @Redtigerxyz 2409:4071:D41:5B96:B2DF:D5E2:626A:BBAA (talk) 10:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Anon, you are welcome to suggest a suitable image Redtigerxyz Talk 14:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Vishnu_from_Gita_Govinda.jpg
This above image best for Vaishnavaism article, this image is also in thumbnail, add this image to Vaishnavism and change God Vishnu image in Wikipedia and add sculptures of Vishnu in Wiki image, there are so many statue of Vishnu in the world, for example garuda wisnu, Angkor wat temple statue , etc,....
@Redtigerxyz 2409:4071:D41:5B96:9194:F111:C1AC:BB74 (talk) 11:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chariotrider555@Chronikhiles@Redtigerxyz
I'm going to semi this page for a few days. Let's just assume they are all one editor. Doug Weller talk 13:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vinay viniyl you are a blocked sock. Doug Weller talk 13:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About Wikipedia edit.

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Wikipedia users promote lot of vandalism and fake poorly sourced information on Hindu deities especially to God Vishnu. They add beautiful images/statue for other deities but in Vishnu wiki page they add old ugly photo, same image for avatar, dashavatar and Vaishnavism artist, they image link not opened in web, atleast they didn't change images. World encyclopaedia is much better than Wikipedia. @Chronikhiles @Chariotrider555 @Classicwiki @Redtigerxyz 2409:4071:D8D:F611:0:0:6548:5313 (talk) 14:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you can't see past your misinformed accusations and refuse to be constructive within existing policy, you're wasting everyone's time. Also, nobody's forcing you to use Wikipedia. Chronikhiles (talk) 02:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh once again changes images. Why ?

What a irony and propaganda by wiki users,



“Adding old image and few info for vishnu wiki page and using Good statue and more info on shiva wiki article page

Dear wiki users, @Redtigerxyz @Chronikhiles @Chariotrider555 @Dāsānudāsa

What a irony and propaganda by wiki users, “Adding old image and few info for vishnu wiki page and using Good statue and more info on shiva wiki article page

So many jealous and hyprocisy to God vishnu. That why now present age is kaliyuga. Even unrighteous is also happening in wikipedia. They are always wait for editing, even wiki accept chance for good rdit, but this so called users didnt get digest when we edit good faiths. World Encyclopedia is 10000 times better than wiki. User : God devotee 10:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You need to seek WP:CONSENSUS for your changes, rather than WP:EDITWARring. Please read WP:BRD for an understanding of how this works. Your changes have been rejected by other editors and you can't just keep trying to shoehorn them through. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 11:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@God devotee If you don't have anything sensible to say, I'd thank you to stop tagging me. Chronikhiles (talk) 15:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blocking the sockpuppet

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It is so evident that this user @Cosmology dreamer is a sockpuppet of blocked account named @god devotee, he is continuously vandalising the pages and deleting the discussions from talk page which were started against him. Please complete the investigation and block him asap.@Abecedare @Doug Weller @Joshua Jonathan Hbanm (talk) 05:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:Someone is targeting and attack me by adding my username to talk page with unnecessary text. I first time join Wikipedia, I add only neutral point of view and reliable source , but this account continuosly reverted my edit and add my username in talk page. Anyone can plz help me.

@Abecedarw
@Dougweller
@Joshua Jonathan User : Cosmology dreamer 06:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosmology dreamer (talkcontribs) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's pretty obvious Cosmology dreamer is Vinayvinyill/God devotee/assorted IPs. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 09:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dāsānudāsa
What is this ? who are these user names,
if any doubts regards my, any one can investigate me, i can clarrify all doubts ? User : Cosmology dreamer 10:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosmology dreamer (talkcontribs) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

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Text necessary info to vishnu wiki page such as,

By Adding, Destroyer of Evil, concept of Vishnu Avatar is protector of righteousness (good) and destroyer of u righteousness (evil) ,so it is necessary to add this word before bestower of karma. Narayana Name quote name by redirect link in below before The supreme being (vaishnavism) and by removing same title name link in other names

"Narayana" is not just another name or form of vishnu, narayana is aspect and important Epithet of vishnu deity.

it is necessary to add this names, because Entire description scriptures information found in this Narayana wiki article.

when i edit it, someone again reverted, it's any doubts anyone came discuss me, I answer for all debate it's necessary neutral point by good faiths or reverted my edits in vishnu wiki page history as reverted good faith . Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blocking the sock

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This sock @Cosmology dreamer is now literally causing menance with his vandalism. Even a blind person can see that he is a sockpuppet of @Vinayvinyill and @god devotee. Will you please complete the investigation and block him for God's sake.@Abecedare @Doug Weller @Joshua Jonathan @Redtigerxyz @Dāsānudāsa Hbanm (talk) 12:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I'm the only one you pinged who can CU, although @Abecedare is an Admin he doesn't have checkuser. Sorry, I've been tired. I may not be able to help much once I start more chemo next month. Doug Weller talk 14:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All the best with the chemo. I'm on cycle 30-something myself and it's exhausting. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 15:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All the best for your chemo, you're a fighter. Wish you the very best. Hbanm (talk) 17:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Durga is not the sister of Vishnu

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Durga is not the sister of Vishnu, it is yogmaya who is considered the sister of Krishna. It is Meenkshi who is the sister of Aḻagar. Vishnu does not have any siblings, remove it. 2601:205:457E:9850:CDA0:2EC9:752C:5601 (talk) 01:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet is back with another accounts

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@Vinayvinyill is back with two sockpuppet accounts @Narine naresh and @Naanu neenu and is vandalising articles with his sectarian bias again. Please look into this. @Doug Weller @Abecedare @Dāsānudāsa Hbanm (talk) 20:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hbanm, why you mentioned my username in this content, I can't understand, there is no relation with this @Naanu neenu account, he made edits on wiki pages, what he edit vandalism, I just correct it, you are confused with same letter names, What I add content in wiki based on reliable sources only. Narine naresh (talk) 00:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]
What's your problem. Lol ! Naanu neenu (talk) 02:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]
No problems, I just comment on yours user name, what you done in wiki, Don't add content without reliable source . Narine naresh (talk) 02:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]
Even Wikipedia gave me chance for editing, buy why you pls didn't get freedom for edits, this is too much. Block sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Encyclopedia is much better than Wikipedia. Naanu neenu (talk) 02:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]
Is anyone plz block This account
@Naanu neenu, he made vandalism on article. Narine naresh (talk) 02:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]
This account @Naanu neenu
Also distributed my account by same letter name.
Block this @Naanu neenu Narine naresh (talk) 02:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]
what a propaganda. I added similar content, but why you deleted. Wiki users are fools and rascal. Old image for Vishnu and new good statue for Shiva.
Politics by rascal red tiger and Chutiya Chronikiles Naanu neenu (talk) 02:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC) Block sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blocked Naanu neenu. Doug Weller talk 08:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks but please block @Narine naresh too, both are the sockpuppets of same account @Vinayvinyill, he is trying to play smart by replying to himself with different account, look at the language used in both accounts and he is doing continuous vandalism in articles with his sectarian bias. Hbanm (talk) 11:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, Narine naresh's recent vandalism on Shiva article clearly shows it. 245CMR💬📜 13:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yes , I am Sock puppet block me.
Very waste time in wiki, edit wiki like swimming pool again and again in life. Narine naresh (talk) 13:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Doug Weller
I kindly request you to plz block @Hbanm, which revert good edits Narine naresh (talk) 13:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]
Hey you wiki user's
@Hbanm
@Redtigerxyz
Why you jealous on Lord Vishnu. Narine naresh (talk) 13:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]
May Lord Vishnu Bless to you all
OM Namo Narayanaya! Narine naresh (talk) 13:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC) Block sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You and User:Bossfans are blocked as socks. Doug Weller talk 14:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I needed something to keep me awake this afternoon! Done. Doug Weller talk 14:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please revert the edits by the two socks, thanks. Doug Weller talk 14:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Image

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Although suggested by another sockpuppet, it seems he has suggested a good image of the deity with good composition, attributes and most importantly proper copyright info. One thing that can be noted that it depicts the god in his region form Guruvayurappan, but hardly any major difference between the 2 forms is present. Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 19:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dāsānudāsa new sockpuppet has reached out, pls see the case and do accordingly. Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 19:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I already changed the image of the Vaishnavism article (to one including a devotee praying to Vishnu, the lack of which seemed to be the cause of the complaint) on the off-chance it might placate Vinayvinyill and his various socks, but I guess not.
If other people could also report them, that would be good. I am running out of the energy/inclination to do so. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 09:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dāsānudāsa
Adding old image to Vishnu and Godd statue for Shiva.
why so much difference my dear @Dāsānudāsa
So many statue of Vishnu are found in world such as Angkor wat Vishnu temple, Cambodia, Garuda wisnu kencana, so many, add This
if you didn't add atleast change shiva image add old photo to shiva, treat all are equal, you promote Shiva supremacy and wiki user's shows bad light to Lord Vishnu.
only karma can teach you.
Good Bye 👋🫂
@Chronikhiles
@Chariotrider555
@Seyamar
@Redtigerxyz Jeevan jeeva jr (talk) 11:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC) Block sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you so obsessed with statues? The main image on the Vishnu article is much better than that on Shiva, in my opinion. Nothing on the latter article shows any kind of "supremacy". Dāsānudāsa (talk) 11:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And why so many info on infobox shiva and less info to Vishnu, isn't supremacy?
Unnecessary content add in shiva wiki info, Mahakala is another name of Shiva but you put as God of time and Also you add Cosmic dancer, it's also unnecessary, because it's name is Nataraja, add his names to as other names not in info.
Shiva is a pan-Hindu deity, introduction should be pan-Hindu in nature, lead adds his sectarian as Supreme later Jeevan jeeva jr (talk) 11:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]
Shiva is a pan-Hindu deity, introduction should be pan-Hindu in nature, lead adds his sectarian as Supreme later
@Dāsānudāsa Jeevan jeeva jr (talk) 11:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC) Block sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i have replaced the img with a better crop, @Dāsānudāsa I have made this article, along with few others, extended protected so u can relax a bit. Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 04:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Regarding the new image, I don't really like that we've basically given in to the endless sockpuppetry, but the picture is fine, I suppose. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 08:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dāsānudāsa @Seyamar As has already been observed, this is Guruvayurappan rather than Vishnu. I'm not sure about this, but I b Chronikhiles (talk) 10:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the peacock feathers of the image signify the deity being a form of both Vishnu and Krishna. I would suggest we favour a more pan-Hindu representation rather than a regional one if possible. Chronikhiles (talk) 10:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You mean like the one that was there previously? 😜 Dāsānudāsa (talk) 10:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dāsānudāsa I personally wasn't fully for it to be honest. We can do better. Chronikhiles (talk) 14:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There may be some differences in the iconography of Vishnu and Guruyavuappan in general, but in this painting, it seems the artist has leaned more towards Vishnu. Regarding the Peacock feather, in recent times, it has been commonly associated with Vishnu along with Krishna. Personally, I don't feel much of problem with this image as it doesn't give the regional vibe and seems like a widely used depiction of Vishnu. Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 10:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dāsānudāsa:@Chronikhiles:I do believe the best image for this article was the one from Ravi Varma press which had the god seated in centre surrounded by the other avatars. Only if that img could be cropped in a desired way, this discussion would have been settled months back. Nvm, I think the current image is satisfactory. Seyamar(245CMR)💬📜 10:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Seyamar Alright I'm not going to press on this, as long as it doesn't violate policy we're good. Chronikhiles (talk) 14:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I personally do not think this image is a good choice for the infobox image. Firstly I do not believe we should be appeasing sock puppet edits in order to stop them from coming (the previous image had a consensus among non-sockpuppets). I agree with the criticism that this image rather depicts Guruvayurappan (with Krishna influence) rather than Vishnu. The image should be one that is non-sectarian and solely depicts Vishnu's attributes and not those associated with any avatar or local idol. Furthermore, I oppose what is the seemingly overwhelming preference for infobox images to be depictions of Hindu deities in the Western artistic tradition (painting or sculpture) (see Vishnu, Shiva, Lakshmi, Saraswati, Parvati, Kartikeya, Kali, Hanuman, etc.). These images in the Western art/scupltural style have artistic features (realistic human proportions, perspective, ) that for most of the history of the worship of these deities were unknown. Ideally, infobox images should be historically relevant depictions of these deities in artistic forms that are appropriate for high quality encyclopedic publications. While I am not opposed to the complete removal of Western-derived images of Hindu deities, their promotion over other artistic styles is highly problematic. Chariotrider555 (talk) 21:05, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]