Talk:Vjekoslav Luburić

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Name[edit]

His name was Vjekoslav, Maks was only a nickname. --89.172.236.29 13:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article Neutrality[edit]

This article is ridiculously biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panda Cefur (talk • contribs) 10:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Biography[edit]

A pretty complete and correct article/biography can be found in Croatian Wikipedia.

http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vjekoslav_(Maks)_Luburi%C4%87

  • Luburic was a Catholic croatian from Herzegovina, not an Orthodox from Montenegro. The article mentions only Jews as victims of Jasenovac, while the majority of the victims were Orthodox Serbs (mostly because they were Orthodox Serbs). Luburic being an Orthodox is an oxymoron (something like calling Himmler a Jew). I am surprised that this article made it to the Wikipedia because it twists or hides the truth. Yeah, he was a Roman Catholic. However, it's pretty possible that his ancestors from Montenegro (which is geographically close to Herzegovina) were Greek Orthodox Serbs (Luburic is traditionally a Montenegrin surname). His ancestors were most likely converted to Roman Catholism (something that was very common in Herzegovina). Vjekoslav Luburic was born in the village Humac near Ljubuski, that is now located in Bosnia and Hercegovina. He was a Roman Catholic and ethnic Croat. Population in Ljubuski municipality is over 90% ethnically Croatian. His family lived there for several generations. There are many last names that are common for both Orthodox and Catholic as well as for Serbs and Croats. All speculations about Croats from Herzegovina being ethnic Serbs or Montenegrians are just theories without any strong proofs.--78.0.77.154 (talk) 12:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I found this regarding his father's origin (Ratko Dmitrović u 124. br. Pečata, pišući o Iliji Staniću): Inače, Vjekoslav Maks Luburić, rođen je 6. 3. 1914. godine, u selu Humac, kod Ljubuškog, u Hercegovini. Njegovi preci su u Zapadnu Hercegovinu doselili iz doline Pive. Pored Luburića u Ljubuškom i okolini do danas su sačuvana i druga prezimena "doseljena" iz Crne Gore tzv. "Stare Hercegovine"; Vučić, Kordić, Stojić, Bubalo, Pavlović, Petrović, Miličević... i svi su žestoki Hrvati. U opštini Ljubuški je i selo Klobuk, mesto rođenja Andrije Artukovića, još jednog upravnika logora Jasenovac, a u toj opštini gotovo da nema kuće koja nije dala bar jednog aktivnog ustašu. Sredinom pedesetih godina, u Švajcarskoj je došlo do slučajnog susreta Maksa Luburića i srpskog novinara u emigraciji Slobodana Draškovića. U jednom trenutku, zanet pričom o istoriji, Luburić je rekao: "Znam ja dobro da sam srpskog porijekla, iz plemena Drobnjaci, i da su moji pokatoličeni.--Zoupan 19:04, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article is Way off[edit]

This article doesn't even have his proper Date of Birth. AP1929 (talk) 06:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Imformation's veracity[edit]

This article is a joke. 600.000-900.000 killed only in Jasenovac? Wow, I thought that was on all the war in the Yugoslav Front. What a exageration, an article that shows this kind of information is very very little credible, why should I believe in all the rest of the article when I found this wrong dates? That's pathetic, the wikipedia is pathetic, just shows the view point that you want to show. Just one word pathetic --190.172.227.48 (talk) 03:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The 15th City[edit]

Please see Talk:Croatian National Resistance. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:58, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Choice of words[edit]

The article states in the After World War II section that Ilija Stanić was Luburić's godson. In most societies around the world, especially those involving Catholics a godchild is considered a family member with a Spiritual kinship. In fact, historically, such a relationship would prevent marrying. To this end the reference needs to be checked because a godchild, unless also some form of spy or enemy military member, would naturally hold a position of trust so would not need to infiltrate into an organization led by such a persons godfather. Otr500 (talk) 11:06, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The Mirko Norac episode...[edit]

...is essentially correct (Norac quote, or at least the gist of it), but the circumstances seem off: not September 1993, but early 1992, not Medak pocket, but Gospić, was not supposed to withdraw, but was supposed to be relieved of duty by Petar Stipetić on Tuđman's orders - and refused to obey. Stipetić is the primary source for the quote. See e.g. [1] (in Croatian) AFAIK, other sources support this. Not supremely important given the context here, but should be straightened out if possible. GregorB (talk) 20:47, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This has been attended to. 23 editor (talk) 17:57, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Minor referencing/citation tweaks needed[edit]

Hoare isn't in the refs, same for Perica. Also, it isn't clear which Dulic the citation with 2007 is referring to. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:46, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thumbs up[edit]

23 editor, I haven't had time to thoroughly read the article, but I'd say that's a remarkable work. A GA hopefully?

If I may suggest a source: "Život i djelovanje Vjekoslava Maksa Luburića do proglašenja Nezavisne Države Hrvatske" (Life and work of Vjekoslav Maks Luburić until the proclamation of the Independent State of Croatia) [2] (in Croatian). A 50-page paper. Somewhat peculiarly - given the title - there is significant coverage of post-WWII bio. Interesting stuff: his physical description, as well as description of his character, and the fact that, after WWII, he apparently used fabrications to embellish his biography. GregorB (talk) 22:59, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add it when the author gets his PhD and his work is peer-reviewed. Atm it's just a student paper. Regards, 23 editor (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's your call, of course, but WP:RS does not specify or imply a PhD requirement of any kind. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "when [...] his work is peer-reviewed" - the paper in question is peer-reviewed.[3] (in Croatian) GregorB (talk) 17:50, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RfC[edit]

Please comment - GizzyCatBella🍁 15:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Detail/relevance of "Creation of the NDH"[edit]

The long section on "Creation of the NDH" is well-written and researched...but it doesn't even mention Luburić. Is all that detail actually required? 84.67.99.214 (talk) 18:17, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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