Talk:Voiceless bidental fricative

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@Aeusoes1, Austronesier, Kwamikagami, LiliCharlie, and Nardog: Is that extra diacritic above ⟨h⟩ really needed? The dental diacritic is used for interdental and denti-alveolar articulations, so it already has more than one definition. Sol505000 (talk) 16:42, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Really needed or not, it's what extIPA gives it. Nardog (talk) 16:45, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With only a dental diacritic, it would mean the glottis contacts the teeth. — kwami (talk) 22:38, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kwamikagami: Is that even physically possible? Sol505000 (talk) 05:36, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, so the transcription wouldn't make sense. I wouldn't know what someone intended by ⟨h̪⟩. I'd probably assume it was a typo. — kwami (talk) 07:34, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sol505000: The extIPA follows a logic of full precision here, since it is significant to indicate which row of teeth is involved. "Common" IPA ⟨t̪⟩ obviously does not so. Economocially, you could write ⟨h̪⟩ for the very reason you have mentioned, but you have to consider the purpose of extIPA. Plus, unlike in plain IPA, the diacritics are integral parts of the symbol in extIPA, so we have to remain faithful to the composition of the symbol. – Btw, do we have to advertise an extravagant hobby here by linking to a conlang? –Austronesier (talk) 10:53, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed other refs to the same conlang on other articles as UNDUE. I'm tempted to do the same here. — kwami (talk) 13:49, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. But maybe we can add sources about the relevance in clinical phonetics. Readers (including me) might want to know in place of which targets sounds ([s],[ʃ]?) it usually occurs in disordered speech. –Austronesier (talk) 15:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That'd be useful. It does sound like [ʃ] as pronounced by someone with a speech disorder. Sol505000 (talk) 17:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd love that. Unfortunately I know very little about the field, and I don't have any refs that detailed, so I'm not the one to do it. — kwami (talk) 23:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sibilant vs Bidental Co-Articulation[edit]

From what I understand about sibilant consonants, they're similar to bidental co-articulated consonants but the teeth are further apart. Am I incorrect? If so, please explain why.Livakno (talk) 05:32, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on the definition (and purpose) of a sibilant. From a pure acoustic-phonetic standpoint it might qualify as a sibilant, but from a phonological one that may not be a useful grouping. Nardog (talk) 21:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for answering, I love learning about phonetics. Livakno (talk) 07:59, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sound file[edit]

I have added in a sound file, but it just does not seem to want to go into the infobox. Could somebody help fix this? Eshaan011 (talk) 10:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Next time request an edit through here. Nardog (talk) 20:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]