Talk:Vsevolod Kniaziev

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On 28 October 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Vsevolod Sergeyevich Knyazev to Vsevolod Kniaziev. The result of the discussion was moved.

Name[edit]

Should this article be titled Vsevolod Sergeyevich Knyazev in English? JW 1961^Talk 14:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

a typo in the name[edit]

Vsevolod Sergeyevich Knyazev is completely wrong transliteration: Всеволод Сергійович Князєв transliterated as Vsevolod Serhiyovych Knyazyev. 46.39.51.227 (talk) 10:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 October 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved to "Vsevolod Kniaziev". Will not make any attempts to suppress the redirect. (non-admin closure) VR _talk 01:33, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vsevolod Sergeyevich Knyazev → Vsevolod Serhiyovych Knyazyev – The current page name is completely incorrect. His native name is Всеволод Сергійович Князєв, which doubtlessly latinizating as Vsevolod Serhiyovych Knyazyev. The current name is used the Russian re-transliterating of Ukrainian name. However, this man isn't Russian a had never any relations with Russia or Russians, so, I guess, that the page should be moved without redirect. 46.39.51.227 (talk) 11:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. The name of this Ukrainian public official should be transliterated into English per WP:UKRAINIANNAMES, not per WP:RUSSIANNAMES. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:32, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not a Ukrainian speaker, but if I'm reading this right at Wikipedia:Romanization of Ukrainian/Ukrainian National transliteration table, the name should acutally be Vsevolod Serhiiovych Kniaziev. Of course, if there are English-language reliable sources that use a differently-transliterated name, we should use that. 162 etc. (talk) 01:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. The original nomination is incorrect.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:56, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination is indeed proposing a transliteration form different from the one in standard use as indicated in Wikipedia:Romanization of Ukrainian/Ukrainian National transliteration table. The properly transliterated form appears here. I would therefore revise my above vote to support the form Vsevolod Sergeyevich Knyazev → Vsevolod Serhiiovych Kniaziev, as pointed out by 162 etc. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the only thing nom has wrong. Proposing that the redirect should be suppressed shows no understanding of the issues and suggests a POV. But I see there are no other contributions from this IP, so we should not bite. Andrewa (talk) 14:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support to either of the Ukrainian translits—blindlynx (talk) 20:18, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Vsevolod Kniaziev. This is a little-mentioned subject in English-language media, to date. I found five unique sources, two in 2020 with Knyazev,[1][2] two last week with Kniazev,[3][4] one with Kniaziev[5] (and a syndicated copy),[6] but none with the patronymic Serhiiovych. Unless we find evidence for a single WP:COMMONNAME, we should fall back to the standard romanization per WP:UKR, which is Kniaziev; note є, ie, not е, e, in the last syllable. —Michael Z. 20:28, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since the ultimate goal is the depiction of this Ukrainian public official's name in its Ukrainian form, I would also support the move Vsevolod Sergeyevich Knyazev → Vsevolod Kniaziev. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Found a collection of his papers, mostly in Ukrainian, but some with English citations or abstracts.[7] looked at a bunch and found one with Knyazev and about five with Kniaziev. —Michael Z. 17:25, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian Supreme Court’s website[8] uses (according to its site search) Kniazev on 1 page, Knyazev 3, Kniaziev 12 including in the latest news.[9] —Michael Z. 17:33, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Vsevolod Kniaziev, the correct spelling from Ukrainian language to English one. -- Bogatyr (talk) 17:19, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Vsevolod Kniaziev, as per arguments above. Lesliechin1 (talk) 08:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the redirect whatever happens re the move. No case whatsoever for suppressing it. Andrewa (talk) 14:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.