Talk:Ward McAllister

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This article is a mess. It's disorganized (the famous 400 list is mentioned out of nowhere in the second paragraph as just "the list" before the info which explains what the list actually was even appears, an irrelevant remark about a letter he (McAllister) wrote appears out of nowhere and is disconnected with the rest of the passage, etc.), contradictory (we are told the list contained mostly newly rich industrialists but then we are told he kept the "new rich" out of the list), and filled with speculative mind reading of long deceased peoples supposed motives ("pleasure-seeking, status-conscious rich of the Gilded Age." Say's who? There is no way you can tell what every single rich persons beliefs and desires were in the so-called "Gilded Age." And who the hell isn't "pleasure seeking?") Needs major work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.239.197.45 (talk) 05:00, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It has since been cleaned up somewhat, but still is very short of references. I added one. LTC (Ret.) David J. Cormier (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My introduction to "Ward McAllister" came from a book about Babe Ruth by sportswriter Tom Meany that I bought at a grade school book fair, although it is apparent that this statement is light years beyond grade schoolers: "George Bernard Shaw found more gold in snobbishness than Ward McAllister ever dreamed could be mined in that particular field." — Preceding unsigned comment added by BubbleDine (talk • contribs) 16:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

'Disgrace'[edit]

The issue of his social 'disgrace' needs to be clarified. It sounds as though he was ostracised by the traditional elite (self-appointed anyway) for bestowing official respectability on arrivistes. Valetude (talk) 23:52, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

His issue[edit]

The listing of his children and their marriages reads more like a wiki page on royalty or a major head of state. They have no notability, and I feel the listing is out of place here. Valetude (talk) 00:23, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]