Talk:West Coast Eagles/Archive 1

Sandover Medallists?

Is there really a need for Sandover Medallists on this page at all? After all, no player can win a Sandover playing for the West Coast Eagles; if and Eagles listed player does win, chances are they've won it by *not* playing for the club that year. Mr Q 06:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Home and away?

Maybe I don't get it because I'm American, but this line "They also won their first home-and-away match against Richmond in March 1987 before a crowd of 23,897 at Subiaco Oval." doesn't make sense to me. If it was played at their home stadium, how is it home-and-away? Or do they have two legs? --Awiseman 22:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Home-and-away games are the games in the premiership season that are before the finals. Remy B 08:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

So it's just called home-and-away, and doesn't mean they played both at home and away? --Awiseman 15:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Thats right. Remy B

Yeah, and why is there a THIRD strip but no pics... elevenzeroone^{me / what i've done / email} 13:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed that a couple of times, I think it's in a template, but it would look better if someone that knows how that was set up could remove it Mr Q 15:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

History section

I've done a revamp of the history section based upon something I'd prepared to use on EaglesFlyingHigh.com. There may be errors of fact in there, I don't think so, but it's mostly written from memory, so if people can check it, I'd like to know. Must put it up on EFH at some stage, since that's what I wrote it for... (yes, I wrote the original text, so there's no copyright issue) Mr Q 08:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Surely it makes more sense to include allegations against particular players on pages related to those players than fill up the article on the club as a whole with such things? Especially references to drug use (and in one case mentioning a player that has never played at West Coast at all). The only justification for a mention under the club article of individual player off-field indiscretions is where it affects the club directly, such as the Booze Bus causing the club to sack Cousins as captain. Mr Q 15:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I see someone edited it immediately back in.... What does the following paragraph add to the article? "Ben Cousins and Michael Gardiner have continued to be linked to undergroung crime boss John Kizon through the Perth media. The fact that Cousins and Gardiner continue to find themselves in trouble with the law has done nothing to dispel such accusations. Michael Gardiner was one of two West Australian players (the other Graham Polak of the Fremantle Dockers) to be revealed by the Melbourne media as having twice tested positive to recreational drugs in official AFLPA testing, reportedly cocaine and ectasy. Both players have since been traded to Melbourne clubs." For a start, Polak has never played at the club, and likely never will, while particular allegations and rumours of this kind about Gardiner and Cousins would surely be more appropriate being kept under articles about the players themselves. Mr Q 15:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that there is way too much detail for a club page, and it is absolutely unacceptable to be calling Kizon an "underground crime boss"; that kind of thing can get Wikimedia sued. But I don't think removing the paragraph altogether is a solution. Perhaps something along the lines of:

For the last five years the club has regularly received negative publicity over the behaviour of several high profile players, especially former captain Ben Cousins and former vice-captain Michael Gardiner. In 2005, Cousins was accused of not fully cooperating with police in an investigation into a nightclub shooting, and the following year was stripped of the captaincy after fleeing from a booze bus.

Hesperian 23:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

About what I thought, and a reference to the Booze Bus and to Gardiner (and even Sampi) was in the previous paragraph that was already there. I also think the style of this added paragraph was eerily similar to one that included a sledge at the Eagles on the East Fremantle Football Club page (since removed), so I wonder if this was added in spite by someone that doesn't like the Eagles, rather than in the context of adding to the article? Mr Q 10:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It's worth noting on this section that there aren't a lot of references, because it's written from memory, other than perhaps looking up numbers from a spreadsheet of Eagles history I have to work with EaglesFlyingHigh. I've tossed a few references in, but they weren't exactly used in the research :). Mr Q 15:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)