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Name[edit]

I changed the name, because these insurgency can continue for years.. Beshogur (talk) 20:58, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

I tagged the article with a neutral point of view dispute, because it already is much based on pro-Kurdish rudaw.net (unreliable?) and does not reflect Iranian side's positions. I will remove the tag as soon as these two problems are solved. Pahlevun (talk) 15:15, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure you are aware of what is NPOV according to your statement. Clearly, NPOV is not achieved by citing "NPOV sources", because there is no such thing as "NPOV sources". NPOV is achieved by citing sources from several differing reliable sources (WP:RS). Rudaw is by the way a highly reliable news network with an editorial board, thus fully applying to WP:RS guidelines, unlike for instance PressTV which is a state agency in Iran with no proper editorial board. Please read Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Bias_in_sources for more info.GreyShark (dibra) 19:14, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is not healthy to comment on other editors instead of edits. My point was not reflecting Iranian view and for your information, when a biased source such as Rudaw is used, it should be In-text attributed, which is not; and it makes the article NPOV. I really doubt your opinion on reliability of the source. Maybe a discussion on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard is proper. Pahlevun (talk) 20:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hah! Rudaw. (It's funny because lots of kurds hate rudaw). Anyway, I would agree, except I think of the alternative... the iranian view, meaning press tv or another jew-hating rag, which certainly are not a reliable source. Ahem.--Monochrome_Monitor 07:06, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I agree we should try to find muslim hating western media sources because they're usually more trustworthy. X Hypocrite x (talk) 12:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Most Kurds are Muslims. Anyway, muslim-hating and iran-criticizing are different. Or else the Sunni countries would all be self-haters.--Monochrome_Monitor 06:15, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And don't tell me press tv is "israel-criticizing" and not jew hating. Because that's a lie.--Monochrome_Monitor 06:17, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

what does it has to do with reliability of Press TV??? The reliability is not determined according to hatred or whatever, but according to WP:RS guidelines. You are confusing POV and RS, which are very different issues! Please read WP:BIASED and WP:NEWSORG.GreyShark (dibra) 12:27, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking to me...? Or him, yes?--Monochrome_Monitor 17:36, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do sympathize with iranian wikipedian - the west does have its biases and we are quick to consider militants fighting our foes as freedom fighters. But so does Iran. I can understand why the iranians think the PDKi are terrorists, but I see that they are attacking military targets exclusively- unlike the terrorists Iran supports. Being on the other side of the terrorist vs freedom fighter divide really gives you perspective - and makes you a bit more skeptical towards claims of senseless brutality. I have sincere respect for the persian people, even though I think their government is a terrorist dictatorship. I'm willing to work with you in giving the iranian view some representation on this page. --Monochrome_Monitor 04:40, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - with no further remarks on NPOV i remove the tag.GreyShark (dibra) 09:25, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot remove it yet because the issue has not been resolved. Pahlevun (talk) 12:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged[edit]

Pahlevun, i don't mind to add remarks from Stratfor (certainly a reliable source) about alleged support of Saudi Arabia, but Stratfor itself doesn't say they are involved, but rather that Iran blames them for possible involvement ("alleged" as defined by you). As discussed multiple times, if there is no direct indication by reliable sources (Stratfor doesn't say they are involved but that Iran alleges their involvement, so it "may be possible"), while Saudi Arabia denies involvement - we should not put it in the infobox per WP:EXCEPTIONAL.GreyShark (dibra) 07:08, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You were so hasty to remove it that you forgot to restore the source. WP:EXCEPTIONAL does not support your claim, Greyshark09. As long as Iran is listed in Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen belligerents, it is fair to put Saudi Arabia here in the infobox. Pahlevun (talk) 07:17, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian listing in Yemen conflict is a separate source and we should discuss it separately. I would love to review this issue in depth together with you and indeed if Iranian involvement is not directly supported, i would be happy to remove Iran from the infobox there. Which source do you say we need to restore?GreyShark (dibra) 07:26, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

By the way i looked into the Yemen article and removed Iran. In addition, i've just removed Egypt (again) from Syrian Civil war article, as it is not confirmed by any reliable source.GreyShark (dibra) 11:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rudaw source[edit]

Pahlevun, what do you mean better source concerning Rudaw? It is clearly a reliable source per WP:RS and is used to source the claims of Iranian Kurdish militants (and so it says). What is your problem with Rudaw then?GreyShark (dibra) 11:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it is not a WP:RS. Read WP:NEWSORG for more information.

Rudaw Media Network:

Rudaw Media Network (Kurdish: تۆڕی میدیاییی ڕووداو) is an Iraqi Kurdish media group funded by the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP)... According to a numerous of international and Kurdish sources, Rudaw is a "propaganda machine"...

WP:QS:

Questionable sources are those that have a poor reputation for checking the facts, lack meaningful editorial oversight, or have an apparent conflict of interest.

—Pahlevun (talk) 12:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Zagros Eagles[edit]

I'm wondering whether Zagros Eagles, who were reportedly behind the 19 March attack in Meriwan are same as Kurdistan Eagles (HAK-R) of the Kurdistan Freedom Party?GreyShark (dibra) 07:42, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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