Talk:Whydah Gally

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Depth[edit]

I can't seem to find the depth that the wreck lies in on any of the sources. If anyone has a source with this information, it is fairly important to the article. -Tombrend (talk) 08:43, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Grollτech (talk) 12:56, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting stuff[edit]

I like this article, but think it can be improved by formatting it like other articles in ths shipwreck category, highlighting the Construction, Working life, Pirate life, and Wreck. I heard about this ship from a National Georaphic vid on YouTube (which is a teaser for a show on Monday Jan 21), and I'm sure that that show will recycle content from a previous NG show. 24.84.112.130 (talk) 00:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC) by someone who isn't logged in.[reply]

At which yard was she built?[edit]

Is there any more specific information about where she was built, rather than just "London"? Robkam (talk) 22:20, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History about the Whydah Gally[edit]

Ehrlich, M. (1989). Early Akan Gold from the Wreck of the Whydah. African Arts, 22(4), 52-57+87-88. This article has many good facts about the ship and voyages it went on. It also tells use about the treasures that were recovered from the shipwreck many years after it sank off Cape Cod. It also tells us about were the ship was built and a little history behind that. Wfjones (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy between Treasure Hunting and Archaeological Ethics[edit]

The article currently completely ignores the legal battles between Clifford and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts over ownership of the site, which played out in state and federal courts before Clifford was granted title to the site. Clifford's early identification as a treasure hunter rendered him persona non grata to the archaeological community at large, which continues to this day (2013), with obvious effects on CLifford's ability to work, conserve and study the site. For a brief recap of the legal history of the site, see ^[1]. For a representative sample of the more doctrinaire archaeological position, see ^[2]. For examples of how this tension plays out in the more public realm of museum exhibitions, see ^[3]. Erodley (talk) 13:47, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion thread took place on our user talk pages, so I'm just copying it to here:

Thanks for the excellent suggestions! When I recently did a major re-write of this article, I had come across the court cases, and made a note to include a "legal" section during my next pass – so your note was very timely! Do you by chance have access (or links) to electronic versions of any of the references which you provided? Or better yet, you are more than welcome to edit the article yourself, if you like? Judging from the quality of your comments, I suspect you'd add a great perspective to the article. Grollτech (talk) 00:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback! I'll see if I can find any online versions. Most of the material I have is old photocopies. I'll go in once I have something to add! Erodley (talk) 00:34, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

^ Mastone, V. T. (2002). Massachusetts: The Devil to Pay and No Pitch Hot! In C. V. Ruppé & J. F. Barstad (Eds.), International Handbook of Underwater Archaeology. 43-54
^ Elia, R. J. (1992). The Ethics of Collaboration: Archaeologists and the Whydah Project. Historical Archaeology, 26(No. 4, Advances in Underwater Archaeology), 105-117
^ Rodley, E. (2012). The Ethics of Exhibiting Salvaged Shipwrecks. "Curator: The Museum Journal" 55(4), 383–391

Archaeological evidence section: OR and Unreferenced[edit]

The "Archaeological evidence" section cites no sources and contains several suspect sentences, such as:

In an age of austere Puritanism and rigid class hierarchy, this too was an act of defiance—similar in spirit, perhaps, to today's rock stars.

I placed the OR and Unreferenced Section tags on it. I googled some of the oddly worded phrases, and they do turn up elsewhere. But I avoided placing a Copyvio tag on it because I can't immediately verify which phrase appeared first and where. TheLastBrunnenG (talk) 13:51, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have added two references to this section with respect to John King, both regarding the circumstances of his joining the Whydah's crew, and regarding the discovery of a child's tibia, stocking, and shoe. —grolltech^(talk) 05:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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additional source[edit]

I was doing some recreational reading and noticed that a bunch of info on this page comes from (or is duplicated in) The Whydah: A Pirate Ship Feared, Wrecked, and Found by Martin W. Sandler. Sadly, I don't have time to add the citations from it, but maybe someone else will. Rwelean (talk) 04:02, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Lawrence Prince linked as commander[edit]

Just a heads-up, but the Lawrence Prince that is linked as the commander of the Whydah is inaccurate. While both had the same name and operated around the same time, the Lawrence Prince who is linked was a privateer under Henry Morgan (so basically, a pirate), whereas the Whydah Gally's Lawrence Prince was a "law abiding" slave ship captain. Gimmethecreeps (talk) 19:23, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Mastone, V. T. (2002). Massachusetts: The Devil to Pay and No Pitch Hot! In C. V. Ruppé & J. F. Barstad (Eds.), International Handbook of Underwater Archaeology. 43-54

[2] Elia, R. J. (1992). The Ethics of Collaboration: Archaeologists and the Whydah Project. Historical Archaeology, 26(No. 4, Advances in Underwater Archaeology), 105-117

[3] Rodley, E. (2012). The Ethics of Exhibiting Salvaged Shipwrecks. "Curator: The Museum Journal" 55(4), 383–391

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