Talk:Willard Ryan

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February 8, 2020	Good article nominee	Listed

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Willard Ryan was the first head coach of the Green Bay Packers, even though the team claims that Curly Lambeau was actually the first?

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 12:11, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"has been given credit for being" -> "has been credited as being"

Done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Might also be worth linking "head coach" appropriately for those of us outside US sport who aren't necessarily 100% familiar with that term.

Done in the lead and body. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"May 8, 1890[1] in" comma after year.

Done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead says 10-1, infobox says 10-1-0. I'm not an expert, is it conventional to leave out the ties if they're zero? I would also be tempted to put some tooltips around that which describe "Wins–losses–ties" or similar, again for our non-US sports readers who aren't used to this method of presenting information.

Removed the 0 from the infobox and added a tooltip to all record instances. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Packers under Ryan were more successful, with the team going 10–1" I get the "more successful" bit but it's feels like comparing apples with oranges, after all the other team only played six games. And it's unclear to me what the respective levels of those teams were.

I really just used that as a transition, since he coached both concurrently. The differences between high school, college, and "pro" football were much smaller than they are today. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Could link American football rules?

Done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:41, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"all roles that a head coach in modern football performs" ->"all roles performed by a head coach in modern football"

Done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"he took part in Fourth Registration" took part but was he enlisted?

Clarified in the text. This registration was only meant to capture the industrial manpower of those unfit for military duty, so it didn't lead to actual enlistments. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"he retired in 1955 as an agriculture instructor" just for clarity, he retired from being an agriculture instructor? This career choice hasn't been mentioned before... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:48, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhat clarified. The sources are unclear on this. He was a teacher, so I am guessing that he changed subject matter at some point? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Merrill Hoeffel is mentioned in the head coach template but not anywhere here, which feels like an omission when Lambeau (who comes after Hoeffel is discussed in some detail.)

Fixed the infobox. There isn't a whole lot on Hoeffel. He is in my pipeline to work on one of these days though. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brief review on a brief article, hope some of it is useful? Cheers. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:48, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks The Rambling Man! Always good feedback and appreciate the review. I think I got everything, let me know if you notice anything else. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:47, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Gonzo fan2007, those changes look good to me, happy with the article as it stands now so promoting. Good work. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:33, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]