Talk:Willem B. Drees

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Apologies & explication

I am inexperienced to wikipedia and seem to have made mistakes in the process. I am the person described in this item (Willem B. Drees), as I made clear with the edits (also by using WBDrees as user name). I did not create the original wikipedia entry, but noticed that it had become outdated. The main issue was that it listed me as being at Leiden University, a position which I left by November 2014. Thus, I made some edits to make clear that the period in Leiden had come to an end, while a new position at Tilburg University had started. I intended the changes to be factual; they can be checked via the website of Tilburg University. I will do fiture changes to sites I am involved in or related to, via proposals on the talk-pages. Willem B. Drees WBDrees (talk) 15:41, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Some proposed changes

Moved from User talk:WBDrees

 –  Spintendo      17:00, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

COI: Last year, I updated some information in this article (Willem_B._Drees), which is about myself. I was corrected as this was inappropriate; my apologies for the mistake. The article had originally been initiated and written by someone else; it is not my own initiative or autobiography. There are various minor details that are not correct. As there was also a request for additional citations, I offer some possible suggestions. I am happy to leave it up to others to see whether any of these suggestions are appropriate and relevant for the Wikipedia lemma. Some issues may also be resolved by taking out information that is not too relevant.

1. The textbox, under “Alma mater", lists three PhD degrees. However, the first (“theoretical physics” was not a PhD, but a “doctoraal degree”, which has a lower status. It is no longer used in this way. Under the Bologna rules for higher education, it is equivalent to an MSc (Master of Science). Hence, either delete “PhD theoretical physics Utrecht University 1977” or modify into “MSc theoretical physics, Utrecht University, 1977”.

2. Textbox, under "Awards" one might add: member of the Koninklijke Hollandsche Maatschappij der Wetenschappen [1]; )

3. Introductory paragraph: In case the final sentence (“As of January 2015 …”) is considered to need a reference, the Dutch press release might do:

4. Biography, first paragraph: the current note [2] provided is odd, as the information in the text is about my father and grandfather, whereas the note is about my own work. I suggest three options: - As there are references to other articles in Wikipedia, there may not be need for an external reference. - One might offer links to the official website for the history of the Dutch parliament and cabinet; on the father and on the grandfather (again, both in Dutch).

5. 2d paragraph of the Biography - 2d sentence “From 2001 until 2009 he was (…) at Leiden University.” – No, this was from 2001 until 2014 (October). See the press release on the appointment in Tilburg (above, item 3), - “His main research focus was on the influence of technology and ecology on religious beliefs and practices.”[note 3]: The link provided is not effective anymore. Furthermore, I would rather suggest "the influence of science and technology on …” - ‘ecology’ was only occasionally an issue in my work. A remark about science fits the editorship of Zygon: Journal of Religion and Science; evidence is provided by the list of Works, later in this article.

6. 3d, 4th and 5th paragraph of the Biography have no references. A fairly complete CV is available on the web at - In the 5th paragraph, the 2000 Dickinson Distinguished Visiting Professor: - Appointment Tilburg: see again - Inaugural address Tilburg: this one is Open Access available at the university portal: But the link is currently already in note 10, with the Works.

7. Religious Naturalism, 1st paragraph, after note 4: “The analysis of naturalism as addressed in his Religious Naturalism and Science ….” – the title should have been Religion, Science and Naturalism (see  ; the link in note 5 is fine for the justification that this has remained a topic also at later moments.

8. Religious naturalism, 2d paragraph: The first sentence, on an IRAS conference: A link to support this information could be

9. References, 11, is a link which is no longer functional. In its place could be:

Again, I am happy to leave it to others which references and corrections are sufficiently relevant for Wikipedia use.

Willem B. Drees; wb@drees.nl and w.b.drees@tilburguniversity.edu WBDrees (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

References

Reply quotebox with inserted reviewer decisions and feedback 16-APR-2018

Below you will see where text from your request has been quoted with individual advisory messages placed underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please see the enclosed notes for additional information about each request. Also note areas where additional clarification was required. When this is ready to be provided to the reviewer, please change the edit request template to read from ans=yes to ans=no. Thank you!  Spintendo      18:06, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

The textbox, under “Alma mater", lists three PhD degrees. However, the first (“theoretical physics” was not a PhD, but a “doctoraal degree”, which has a lower status. It is no longer used in this way. Under the Bologna rules for higher education, it is equivalent to an MSc (Master of Science). Hence, either delete “PhD theoretical physics Utrecht University 1977” or modify into “MSc theoretical physics, Utrecht University, 1977”.
Approved.
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Textbox, under "Awards" one might add: member of the Koninklijke Hollandsche Maatschappij der Wetenschappen.
 Unable to implement.
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Introductory paragraph: In case the final sentence (“As of January 2015 …”) is considered to need a reference, the Dutch press release might do: https://uvtapp.uvt.nl/tsb11/npc.npc.showpressreleasecm?v_id=6467821878823705
  Clarification needed.
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Biography, first paragraph: the current note [2] provided is odd, as the information in the text is about my father and grandfather, whereas the note is about my own work. One might offer links to the official website for the history of the Dutch parliament and cabinet; on the father and on the grandfather.
Approved.
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2d paragraph of the Biography 2d sentence “From 2001 until 2009 he was (…) at Leiden University.” – No, this was from 2001 until 2014 (October). See the press release on the appointment in Tilburg (above, item 3).
Approved.
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"His main research focus was on the influence of technology and ecology on religious beliefs and practices."[note 3]: The link provided is not effective anymore. Furthermore, I would rather suggest "the influence of science and technology on …” - ‘ecology’ was only occasionally an issue in my work. A remark about science fits the editorship of Zygon: Journal of Religion and Science; evidence is provided by the list of Works, later in this article.
  Clarification needed.
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3d, 4th and 5th paragraph of the Biography have no references. A fairly complete CV is available on the web.
 Unable to implement.
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Religious Naturalism, 1st paragraph, after note 4: “The analysis of naturalism as addressed in his Religious Naturalism and Science ….” – the title should have been Religion, Science and Naturalism.
Approved.
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Religious naturalism, 2d paragraph: The first sentence, on an IRAS conference: A link to support this information could be http://www.iras.org/pastconferences.html.
Approved.
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References, 11, is a link which is no longer functional. In its place could be: https://www.drees.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Drees-publications-January-2015.pdf.
 Not approved.
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Some proposed changes / response to the quote box with reviewer decisions

Moved from User talk:WBDrees

 – I've moved this edit request from where it originally appeared on the user's talk page.

  SPINTENDO          07:42, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

COI: See my earlier message, 16 April 2018, and response by Spintendo Dear Spintendo, Thank you for following up on my suggestions on the Wikipedia article on myself. With respect to the remaining questions and comments:

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Under Awards: The reference for the election to membership in the Koninklijke Hollandsche Maatschappij der Wetenschappen should have been: . The wikipedia-link was only to a page with information on the society itself. But it can also be left out. ---

Introductory paragraph, note 3 of Spintendo: (a) The reference to the Dutch press release would fit at the end of the 2d paragraph, with “at Tilburg University, the Netherlands.” (b) This 2d paragraph, from "Drees has been the editor ...." until "Tilburg University, the Netherlands." as a whole might also be moved to the end of the section on Biography. ---

With Spintendo’s note 4: (a) Please change the passage “His main research focus was on the influence of technology and ecology on religious beliefs and practices.” into “His main research focus was on the influence of science and technology on religious beliefs and practices.” (b) The accompanying note 5 of the article, to “Princeton People and Fellows” is no longer active, and better be deleted.The evidence for the description is in the list of Works. Or else, just leave the sentence "His main research focus ... practices." out. ---

As the Biography has been substantially shortened, there are no 3d, 4th and 5th paragraph of the CV anymore, and hence no need for accompanying references. - - -

Spintendo’s final comment on the earlier Reference 11, with his Note 6: OK; paragraph has been deleted and hence needs no reference anymore. - - -

I hope with this input I have resolved the remaining issues, and hence the ‘template’ with the article might perhaps be removed. Yours, Willem B. Drees (wb@drees.nl) WBDrees (talk) 07:06, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

References

Reply quotebox with inserted reviewer resolutions and feedback 29-APR-2018

Below you will see where text from your follow-up request has been quoted with individual resolution messages placed underneath, either resolving, clarifying or further querying your initial proposal(s). Please see the enclosed notes for additional information about each resolution. Additionally, the Coatrack maintenance template was placed into the article to address subsections on the topic of the philosophy of religious naturalism, a topic which may fall outside the scope of this article. Other editors are asked to give their input into the overall relevance of these passages, and whether their inclusion enhances the article or is editorial content.   SPINTENDO          10:09, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Under Awards: The reference for the election to membership in the Koninklijke Hollandsche Maatschappij der Wetenschappen should have been: https://khmw.nl/benoemingen-2018/ . The wikipedia-link was only to a page with information on the society itself. But it can also be left out.
 Resolved.
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Introductory paragraph, note 3 of Spintendo: (a) The reference to the Dutch press release [2] would fit at the end of the 2d paragraph, with “at Tilburg University, the Netherlands.” (b) This 2d paragraph, from "Drees has been the editor ...." until "Tilburg University, the Netherlands." as a whole might also be moved to the end of the section on Biography.
 Resolved.
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With Spintendo’s note 4: (a) Please change the passage “His main research focus was on the influence of technology and ecology on religious beliefs and practices.” into “His main research focus was on the influence of science and technology on religious beliefs and practices.” (b) The accompanying note 5 of the article, to “Princeton People and Fellows” is no longer active, and better be deleted.The evidence for the description is in the list of Works. Or else, just leave the sentence "His main research focus ... practices." out.
 Resolved.
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As the Biography has been substantially shortened, there are no 3d, 4th and 5th paragraph of the CV anymore, and hence no need for accompanying references. Spintendo’s final comment on the earlier Reference 11, with his Note 6: OK; paragraph has been deleted and hence needs no reference anymore.
 Resolved.
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Vietnam-oorlog

Willem Drees (willie) werd gezien als een van de dapperste strijders tijdens het gevecht in Vietnam. Zijn record was 203/1/900, dit komt neer op een KD van 203. Verder heeft hij gediend als een dapper tankcommandant, hij wist met zijn kanon 4 vliegtuigen uit te schakelen en heeft maarliefst 400 vietcong strijders plat gereden waarbij de hersenen over zijn tank spoten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.124.34.58 (talk) 11:16, 31 October 2018 (UTC)