Talk:William Bradford (printer, born 1663)

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Dates[edit]

Wikipedia's entry on William Bradford cites his birthdate as May 20, 1663 and his death as May 23, 1752. That'd make him 89.

His gravestone notes his birth-year as 1660 and records that he "departed this Life May 23 1752 aged 92 Years".


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Gravestone info noted. However, most sources give birth year as 1663. If 1660 is to be given as his birth year, the discrepancy with other major sources should be noted in the text. Thisdaytrivia (talk) 18:25, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Wil540 art (talk · contribs) 18:45, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


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Comments:[edit]

  • The article could expand upon and clarify Bradford's life between 1700 and his retirement in 1743
  •  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


    • When/what was the last book he published?
  •  Done - Researched this extensively and could not find that.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


    • When did he hand over the reigns of his printing business and to whom?
  •  Done At retirement. To Henry De Foreest. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


    • How long did he work for the governments of NY and NJ?
  •  Done It's in the article. NY="three decades" and NJ=1703 until 1721. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


    • When he retired in 1743, what job was that from?
  •  Done = New York Gazette newspaper. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • Add a gallery of images of the works of Bradford? There are a number of maps of his on commons.
@Wil540 art: I will be glad to make a gallery of works, however I can't seem to locate those maps you mention. Can you give me a clue under what Category they might be in. Thanks --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Doug Coldwell: I was mistaken on the extent of the content on commons. There is this map which appears to be commissioned by Bradford: A Plan of the City of New York from an Actual Survey Made by James Lyne, 1728 MET DP210604.jpg The cover pages of New-England’s Spirit of Persecution Transmitted to Pennsilvania and Pretended Quaker Found Persecuting the True Christian-Quaker and The Laws & Acts of the General Assembly for Their Majesties Province of New-York are in public domain but not uploaded to commons. The images can be seen in this online exhibition. --Wil540 art (talk) 23:27, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mid life[edit]

  • "He was associated with William Penn and George Fox; founder of the Quakers." This statement could be extended and explained more or left out entirely.
  •  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • "He published a booklet in 1689 composed by Quaker missionary George Keith titled The Presbyterian and Independent Visible Churches in New England, according to historian Isaiah Thomas that owned a copy was the oldest known book printed in Philadelphia." Second half of this sentence is awkward and confusing, perhaps it can be cleared up or made into two sentences.
  •  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:38, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • "This incident was an early test of freedom of the press, for the people of Pennsylvania should have been allowed to know their rights and privileges with their laws." The phrasing of this sentence is off and unclear.
  •  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • "He had sent his wife and two infant sons to England and was making preparations to follow to become the replacement printer for Sowel who had died." Was he doing more than being the replacement printer? Wasn't he taking over his whole business?
  •  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • "Bradford is best known as the founder of the press in the Middle colonies of the Thirteen Colonies." A clarifying word or two would help. the ___ press? The first press? The busiest.
  •  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • "He was located in five different locations in New York City." Awkward phrasing.
  •  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • "Some of the works composed by Keith's cohorts hurled against the Quakers" This could be expanded upon and explained a little. Where was the anti-Quaker sentiment coming from?
  •  Done Removed this material as I am not capable of answering that. I got the idea from here. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:51, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • "He was the governor's printer in the province of New York for three decades." Between what dates? This could be expanded upon considering the depth and detailing of his similar position in NJ.
  •  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:51, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • "He was in this post until 1718 and paid a salary of between £20 (1718) (equivalent to £2,940 or US$3,750 in 2019)[30] and £30 (1718) (equivalent to £4,420 or US$5,640 in 2019)" Salary range could be shortened and averaged.
  •  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Later life and death[edit]

  • "Bradford published the first number of the New-York Gazette on October 16, 1725, the first newspaper printed in the province of New York[33] and printed it between 1725 and 1744." Awkward phrasing.
  •  Done copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • "He was interred in the Trinity Churchyard Cemetery on Wall Street in Manhattan." Is he still interred there?
  •  Done There is nothing in the source that says otherwise. Put in the article the inscription of his tombstone that is still there. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bradford printing legacy[edit]

  • Is this the most clear title for this section? Perhaps a change to Bradford family printing legacy
  •  Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


  • "He trained several apprentices that including John Peter Zenger, James Parker, Henry DeForest, and his son Andrew Bradford; who was himself the person that originated four generations of printers and publishers." Awkward phrasing, unclear what the second half sentence is supposed to mean.
  •  Done Copy edited accordingly. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:07, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


That's all I see. --Wil540 art (talk) 20:24, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for review. I'll start working on the issues. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Doug Coldwell: Very nicely done. Just re-read the whole article. Great research and editing. Interesting subject. Once again, great job fleshing this article out with solid sources. You edited every issue I brought up. Perhaps one day if a collection of his printed material gets uploaded to commons, a gallery could be added. HNY! Will promote now. --Wil540 art (talk) 00:23, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment[edit]

This article is part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:37, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Review of Doug Coldwell's edit[edit]

I will conduct a review of all of Doug Coldwell's edits in the table below. I ran the page through Earwig Copyvio and nothing major popped up, just one quote: here

Doug Coldwell's edits
Edit date Content Copy vio checked
12:35, November 20, 2013‎ adding James Parker (publisher) to see also list No vio
12:15, January 31, 2014‎ adding list of other colonial printers No vio
12:33, January 31, 2014‎ adding publisher to see also list No vio
13:14, January 31, 2014 removed POV No vio
12:45, February 1, 2014 adding Ben Franklin to see also list No vio
11:33, January 7, 2022‎ adding content authors published by Bradford No vio
11:39, January 7, 2022‎ C/E No vio
11:43, January 7, 2022‎ C/E No vio
11:44, January 7, 2022‎ removing citations No vio
11:48, January 7, 2022‎ adding info on retirement No vio
11:55, January 7, 2022‎ updating dates No vio
11:58, January 7, 2022 change title No vio
12:01, January 7, 2022 Copy edit No vio
12:43, January 7, 2022 replaces equation with hard numbers No vio
12:51, January 7, 2022 replaces province of NY with New York Gazette Unsure (no citation)
12:59, January 7, 2022 specified state No vio
14:56, January 7, 2022 add citation No vio
stopped at →‎Later life and death: inscription of his tombstone

Wil540 art (talk) 22:39, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Wil540 art: to clarify, you ran through earwig and are independently checking the diffs in the table manually? CMD (talk) 14:14, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis Yes, that is correct. I ran through earwig (see link above) and I am manually checking each edit. - Wil540 art (talk) 16:06, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis and Wil540 art: Earwig is inadequate to detect DC issues; the last time I checked it, this article still had issues. This is the DC foundational edit, before which the article should probably be reverted, yet it's not listed above. More than a month has passed now since WP:DCGAR; when will the GAR be submitted ? If you need more time, please say so; otherwise, I will be happy to submit the GAR myself and do the review, but please do not think that relying on Earwig will work for DC content. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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