Talk:William Miller (preacher)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Gift of Photograph

I discovered a daguerrotype (early form of photography) during research in the NYPL archive section. Knowing from past knowledge that no know photographs exist, it was exciting to report this find to the administrators at the Seventh Day headquarters. I have placed it in this article as a gift to all who respect and honor the work of our brother in Christ, William Miller.

For someone to accuse a noble action as 'vandalism' not only groundless, but also very hurtful. Pastorrussell 22:40, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The issue was not with the photo, but rather with your fair use tag which is VERY incorrectly used. Please correct it before accusing me of being rude by removing something that has neither followed protocol or has been answered to. MyNameIsNotBob 04:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can tell (and I may be wrong), Pasturrussell added an actual photograph of Miller (the only one), and the old image on the page is a painting. They look very similar, so why not add them both? The photograph can go further down in the article, with an explanation of how it's the only known photograph. Cuñado - Talk 07:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I am not concerned about where the photo goes, rather, that the photo qualifies for deletion under misuse of fair use tags. MyNameIsNotBob 09:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. It also has no sources, it might be a fake. Cuñado - Talk 16:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm quite confused here - how is it improperly listed in the fair use tags? The image is in my possession, and I've placed the tag as removing any form of copyright so that it can be shared with anyone. I've not done anything inappropriate, and am quite saddened by the harsh reaction here. If you don't want the photo, then I'll remove it, and say goodbye. I'd have thought you would be pleased to have it. It is not a fake. Pastorrussell 03:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Since you didn't take the picture, you can't release it from copyright. You need to document where it came from, and the correct tag is [pd-old], for any photograph whose author died over 100 years ago. You need a verifiable source to indicate where it came from. Cuñado - Talk 03:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

My understanding is that anything over 100 years old is released from copyright. The image is in the archive section of the New York Public Library, was not connected to any book, and had no name attached to it other than "Wm Miller 1845" written on the back in script, with clearly aged ink. As mentioned previously, the item is not permitted to be scanned, nor removed from the room. Only a photograph is permitted. Anyhow, the tag has been changed to the one you indicated. The one I had before was not any attempt at impropriety - it was merely a case of my not being sure which one to use. Thanks for the clarification. Pastorrussell 17:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Sections

The article could benefit from sections- it seems lengthy at the moment. -- VGF11 04:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)