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There are some very detailed notes on Martha Hobson and others here. Not as such a reliable source. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Two individuals are named as elders: the subject of the article and his father. Would it be clearer to use I, II, and III (for the subject's son)? Carbon Caryatid (talk) 15:19, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
