Talk:Winter of 1946–47 in the United Kingdom

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Date	Process	Result
February 5, 2009	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 23, 2008.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the food shortages during the winter of 1946–1947 saw British farmers using pneumatic drills to harvest parsnips?

Title[edit]

Shouldn't the title be "Winter of 1946-1947 in the United Kingdom"? Ekem (talk) 20:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, must have missed this. The article was originally at "British Winter of 1946-67" but the consensus was to change this to just "winter of..." to match some existing precedents. Many thanks - Dumelow (talk) 23:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copenhagen[edit]

Copenhagen is in Denmark, not the Netherlands.--Grahame (talk) 00:40, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doh! Good catch. An IP seems to have corrected that section anyway. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 08:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image in lead[edit]

While it is a nice image of the winter's impact (and this article needs images,) it's not of fair use internationally. This alone would sink its GA nomination. Either obtain permission to use this image in this article from Weather, or prove more thoroughly that the image is of fair use. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have had a good look for images of the impact of this winter and have been unable to find any free use ones. Permission for this one is not likely to be gained but I will have a look around for others who I might be able to contact to get permission. Hopefully I can find one to replace the fair use one, but I had a good look when I expanded the article and could not find any then. Otherwise the article will have to return to being imageless, cheers - Dumelow (talk) 16:48, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Historian Alexa Richie says there were 12,000 deaths in Berlin in the winter of 1946-47. I'd like to believe the 150 figure but it doesn't seem likely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.193.85 (talk) 00:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

March - Trent floods[edit]

I have fixed the link to the Met.Office ref (now archived), and reworked the part about the Trent, which had mentioned tidal flooding in Nottingham. The tidal floods were in fact around Gainsborough, and are now updated. Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

“Worst winter since 1790”?[edit]

The article says that

“De Bilt, near Amsterdam in the Netherlands, experienced its worst winter since 1790”

however, both the CET series^[1] and de Bilt temperature series^[2] show the winter of 1789/1790 to have been extremely mild, especially for a period with generally much colder winters than the twentieth century. The Central England temperature value was 5.64 °C or 42.15 °F – the warmest since 1760/1761 and at the time the seventh-warmest in 131 years of the CET. In fact, 1789/1790 was still the fourteenth-warmest winter in the CET series up to 1898. Even the less mild winter of 1790/1791 had a CET of 4.42 °C or 39.96 °F – 60th warmest up to 1897. In the de Bilt temperature series winter 1789/1790 was the warmest since 1778/1779 with an average of 4.13 °C or 39.43 °F, and was the nineteenth-warmest in 191 winters between 1706/1707 and 1896/1897, whilst winter 1790/1791 had a mean of 3.50 °C or 38.30 °F and was 33rd warmest of those 191 winters.

Given this, the claim made in Philip Eden’s article about the 1946/1947 winter must mean that:

the winter was the worst since before 1790, or
be a typo referring to the very cold winters of 1788/1789 or 1794/1795

If this can be clarified it would be most welcome.

luokehao, 20 September 2015, 02:12 (UTC)

Agreed. There's also a problem in that it's not obvious what is meant by "worst", which is a subjective term. If we mean "coldest" then we should say so. JH (talk page) 09:06, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Climate Explorer; Central England temperature series
^ van Engelen, A.F.V. and Nellestijn, J.W.; ‘ Monthly means of the air temperature in De Bilt, Netherlands’

Mortality[edit]

If there were known to be deaths, perhaps statistics, caused in the severe winter, such as hypothermia or accidents caused in icy/snowy conditions, it would be interesting to add. I have ventured to mention the death of Ellen Wilkinson - which although directly caused by drug overdose, occurred while ill with pneumonia after catching cold in January 1947 while on an outdoor ministerial engagement. She was perhaps in that sense the most high profile victim of the winter.Cloptonson (talk) 16:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Historians estimate that several hundred thousand people died in Germany; at about the same time, two million people died in the Soviet Union during the years from 1946 to 1948 as a result of starvation and extreme weather conditions." https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerwinter_1946/47#Ablauf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.17.250.179 (talk) 01:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Snow depth (March)[edit]

"On 14 March the deepest ever recorded depth of snow lying in an inhabited location was measured at Forest-in-Teesdale in County Durham at 83 inches (210 cm)."

In the world? Recorded by whom? While this depth is more than just inconvenient, it does not seem extraordinary -- there are some very snowy inhabited locations in the world. GeeBee60 (talk) 12:36, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It was added in this unsourced edit. I have found the apparent source of the claim (a 2009 Telegraph article) and clarified the statement that it is the deepest in the UK - Dumelow (talk) 13:09, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Dumelow for clarifying -- and promptly. Hard times. GeeBee60 (talk) 13:46, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Climate Explorer; Central England temperature series

[2] van Engelen, A.F.V. and Nellestijn, J.W.; ‘ Monthly means of the air temperature in De Bilt, Netherlands’

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