Talk:Women's rights in Jammu and Kashmir

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Currently this image is being used in the article. File:Kashmiri Women wanting their rights.jpg Please give reasons for keeping or removing the photograph and the overall suitability, or lack of it, for its usage. Regards. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 10:22, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I don't think Commons can keep this file and it has been tagged for speedy deletion. Whether the uploader did so intentionally or just made a good faith mistake, the photo appears to have been taken by a Reuters photograher in 2013 per this article, which almost certainly means that the uploader and photographer are not the same person. Even if they were, the fact that this photo appeared online almost two years prior to being uploaded to Commons and there is no exif data or other information provided to suggest the copyright holder and uploader are the same, means that WP:OTRS verification would be required at the very least to verification copyright ownership. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:20, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing conversation on Talk:Abbasi786786[edit]

@AnM2002: Hi there. I was informed by an acquaintance outside Wikipedia that vandalism was occurring on this article and decided to step in. I will not share any more details.
While perhaps we will never exactly agree on the contents of the article considering our different perspectives, I do think we can reach a reasonable compromise based on neutrality, cited sources, and staying on-topic. While that does not describe the article before your recent edits, it most certainly isn't true after your edits either.
Firstly, I believe that while you may have been trying to remove unsourced content, you overlooked a large amount of credibly sourced and useful information that we can all agree should stay in the article. This includes the following quote, which is jam-packed with sources. I see no reason that it should be deleted, especially as it is in the introductory part of the article.

Kashmiri women, members of a patriarchal society, have had to fight inequality and discrimination. Various scholars along with many human rights organisations state that since the onset of the insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir in 1988, rape has been leveraged as a 'weapon of war' by the Indian security forces comprising the Indian Army,[1] Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) and Border Security personnel.[2][3][4][5] The frequent cases of rape against Kashmiri Muslim women by Indian state security forces regularly goes unpunished.[6] they have also been victims of violence by the militants.

Another thing which we should be able to agree on is the removal of the quote about Malala Yousafzai. There are many places around the world where there has been muddling as to her location of origin, but the truth is that she is not remotely a Kashmiri in any way, instead being a Pashtun from the Swat Valley, and was targeted by a militant group without connections to Azad Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, or any area in Indian-controlled Kashmir.
Another quote which you have removed for "lack of sources".

In 1989, Kashmiri dissatisfaction with Indian rule led to the Kashmir conflict resulting in the abuse of women in the region[5] According to a report by Human Rights Watch in 1993, the Indian security forces use rape as a method of retaliation against Kashmiri civilians during reprisal attacks after militant ambushes.[7][8][9] Professor William Baker states that rape in Kashmir was not the result of a few undisciplined soldiers but an active attempt by the Indian security forces to humiliate and intimidate the Kashmiri population.[10]

When public support of the militancy began to diminish, many militants turned to the political arena; however, the voices of women have not been accorded their rightful place in the dialogues of the Kashmiri conflict and politics.[5] Although women have been the hardest-hit victims of the conflict and have played pivotal roles in separatism and the armed insurgency,[5] their activities are barely mentioned in mainstream narratives of Kashmiri militancy.[5] The media seems uneasy with the idea of female Kashmiri involvement in militancy; when a woman is charged as an overground operative of a militant group, the media swiftly declares her innocent or justifies her.[5]

Do you have an issue with the information because it is false or because you do not like it? -- Abbasi786786 (talk) 01:49, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any details about "Malala" in the version which you reverted.
There are problems with your content such as they depend on primary sources (hrw.org).
Together with that, you are engaging in content forking from Human rights abuses in Jammu and Kashmir and Rape during the Kashmir conflict when this page is not about 'abuses' but 'women rights'.
Now if you want to keep doing this content forking then why do we need this page? We don't have a Women's rights in Gilgit-Baltistan or even Women's rights in Delhi as of yet. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 11:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It won't take long for you to end up blocked if you propose to exclude discussions about "rape as a weapon of war" from this article. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You are forgetting that this is a collaborative project. You must avoid any further WP:BATTLEGROUNDish comments and focus on content. Can you find a recent scholarly source to support this claim? The sources are all before 2011 and mainly discussing the reports from 90s. Even the one from 2015 cites a quote from 1991 by Amnesty. 09:04, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Chinkin, Christine. "Rape and sexual abuse of women in international law." European Journal of International Law 5.3 (1994): 327. "women in Kashmir who have suffered rape and death under the administration of the Indian army."
  2. ^ Inger Skjelsbæk (2001) Sexual violence in times of war: A new challenge for peace operations?, International Peacekeeping, 8:2, 75–76 "
  3. ^ Sharon Frederick (2001). Rape: Weapon of Terror. World Scientific. pp. 101–. ISBN 978-981-4350-95-2. Archived from the original on 20 April 2017. Retrieved 19 April 2017.
  4. ^ "RAPE IN KASHMIR: A Crime of War" Archived 4 September 2012 at the Wayback Machine (PDF). Asia Watch & Physicians for Human Rights A Division of Human Rights Watch. 5 (9): 6.
  5. ^ a b c d e f Parashar, Swati (2011). "Gender, Jihad, and Jingoism: Women as Perpetrators, Planners, and Patrons of Militancy in Kashmir". Studies in Conflict & Terrorism. 34 (4): 295–317. doi:10.1080/1057610X.2011.551719.
  6. ^ Rawwida Baksh; Wendy Harcourt (2015). The Oxford Handbook of Transnational Feminist Movements. Oxford University Press. pp. 683–. ISBN 978-0-19-994349-4.
  7. ^ Inger Skjelsbæk (2001) Sexual violence in times of war: A new challenge for peace operations?, International Peacekeeping, 8:2, 75-76.
  8. ^ "Rape in Kashmir: A Crime of War" (PDF). Asia Watch & Physicians for Human Rights A Division of Human Rights Watch. 5 (9): 1.
  9. '^ Littlewood, Roland. "Military Rape". Anthropology Today, vol. 13, no. 2, 1997, pp. 7–16.
  10. ^ Ranjan, Amit (2015). "A Gender Critique of AFSPA: Security for Whom?". Social Change. 45 (3): 440–457. doi:10.1177/0049085715589471.

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Abbasi786786, you have reverted at least 3 editors and should stop edit warring. I don't see if you have a valid reason to expand on atrocities committed by security and detail its units. See WP:UNDUE. The version you are reverting is more concise and more neutral. LearnIndology (talk) 02:34, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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