Talk:Xenia Onatopp

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Women Killed by Bond[edit]

The article states that only three women were killed by Bond, but I THINK they excluded Fatima Blush--bringing the number to four. Wikiwikiwakoo (talk) 00:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)Wikiwikiwakoo[reply]

Descriptions[edit]

This article is semi-pornographic. Why is all the detailed description necessary?71.137.148.32 23:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I aimed to provide a strong description of what happens in each scene with Xenia, as well as an image or two of her. If you've a problem with it, talk it out here before editing the whole damn thing again, in the future.

Pictures[edit]

The picture on this page needs changing. That's an image of Famke Janssen, but it's not an image of Xenia Onatopp; she doesn't look anything like this in the movie. Bob the Pirate 20:25, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty close, though. CommandoGuard 09:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Xenia never wears a collar, never wears a skintight leather dress, never carries a whip... but apart from that it's pretty close I suppose! Bob the Pirate 18:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Precisely. CommandoGuard 11:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You did get the hint of sarcasm there, right? Look, I don't mean to be anal about this but there's a world of difference between a picture of a character and the actor who plays them. This is simply not Xenia, and it shouldn't be in an article about her - apart from the basic face it looks nothing like her, you might as well dress Angelina Jolie up as Batman and claim it's a picture of Lara Croft. Bob the Pirate 21:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Xenia always looks sexy and dangerous, and that quite applies to this photo of Famke as well. That gotta mean something. CommandoGuard 07:15, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ouromov stealing the Tiger?[edit]

Could anyone confirm if Ouromov was the one who stole the Tiger with Xenia in the film? The male operative never shows his face, and it is hinted he looks exactly alike with the murdered admiral since he was able to enter the ceremony with admiral's ID.

It is quite common for a novelized work of a film to have some differences from the original media, but when there are such differences we should follow the original media, or should cite both, I believe. --BorgQueen 03:44, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Gardner really doesn't deviate that much. They didn't show "the guys" face in the film because he was supposed to be mysterious. This is in the novelisation too. Bond realises the second one is Xenia due to her "cat like walk" or something, but he doesn't know who the other is. Gardner parallels this mystery by never stating the identity of Xenia's accomplice till they reach Severnaya. Instead, Gardner refers to Ouromov as "the general" (which is supposed to be surprising because Ouromov was a Colonel in the beginning). They both, (in both the film and novel) show up together too - you can see Ouromov getting out of the helicopter. K1Bond007 04:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Then how could it be explained that the male operative and Xenia entered the ceremony for the Tiger using the murdered admiral's ID? They didn't just sneak in. The film shows Xenia and the male operative (from the back) being welcomed at the reception. The film didn't show them modifying the ID. Does the novel mention on it? --BorgQueen 04:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The novelisation only has a conversation between Xenia and Ouromov (referred to as "a familiar face" and later identified as Ouromov) about her... tactics... when she kills the Admiral - the film substitutes this with the mysterious hand reaching down and stealing the ID card. I'm 99% sure it's Ouromov in the film too. In the end it is just a film - there are a number of mistakes. One relevant being that the Admiral is supposedly Canadian (you can see the flag on the ID card), but a government ID card from Canada would have both English and French. It's also never explained how Boris gets away from Severnaya. Somehow he's counted as "missing" according to Ouromov, yet the helicopter only seats 2 (to my knowledge) and both are occupied (for sure) by Ouromov and Xenia. He couldn't get away with a car or anything so - maybe.. an extra set of dogs or something :) but I doubt it. K1Bond007 05:01, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

First Mention[edit]

Anyone remember how Xenia Onatopp was first mentioned in a Tim Dalton film, The Living Daylights (I think), but has since been edited to a different name.Halbared (talk) 01:03, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This popped up again for me, I wish I still had my old tapes from taping the films on Sunday afternoons. I think I'm the only person who remembers this.Halbared (talk) 19:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Her name was Ula Yarkhov. I don't think it can in any way be said to be the same person. St Anselm (talk) 00:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was later changed to Ula, originally it was Xenia.Halbared (talk) 10:32, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zaragevna?[edit]

Where does the patronymic "Zaragevna" come from? All existing counterparts of this article in the other language Wikipedias save the Finnish one give Onatopp's patronymic as Sergeyevna, often accompanied by a Cyrillic-script rendition of her full name that has Сергеевна as patronymic. MarqFJA87 (talk) 08:46, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see both in reliable sources: see here, for example. St Anselm (talk) 18:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Content Issues: Tone[edit]

This article has wild issues with tone; as mentioned above several unnecessary details are include that serve little purpose except to titillate. Why is her habit of crushing people with her thighs notable enough to warrant a mention in the introduction? Why is it relevant that she kills people with her thighs during sex (why does a simple mention of the killing not suffice)? Why is it mentioned that she orgasms or that she is aroused by killing? This reads like a weird hybrid between a clinical description and corny erotica.

Also, does this character even need an article? It seems to me like she's a side character from a James Bond movie who an editor evidently found highly attractive. 73.134.85.159 (talk) 01:45, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's her gimmick; as Jaws has his teeth and Oddjob has his hat. Bond henchmen are known for this.Halbared (talk) 09:48, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, concievable. I might still edit for tone but not cut all mentions. 73.134.85.159 (talk) 11:36, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]