Talk:Yashodharman

Incorrect reference to Faxian removed

Faxian visited India and Ceylon between 399 and 414 CE and so could not possibly have been there during the reign of Yasodharma.

I have, therefore, removed the statement: "Chinese traveler Faxian visited India during his rule. "

It would be helpful if someone would check the reference to Thakur Deshraj's book to see whether the author actually made such a claim or if we have here just another example of the many false "references" with which Mr. Burdak has burdened us for so long. John Hill 23:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

References

So let’s remove Thakur Deshraj. But C.V. Vaidya, Dr. Vinay Shrivastava of MP university are good historians who agree that he was a Jat, moreover, Chandra Gomin described his Victory as Ajay Jarto Huna, there might be some reason why he wrote this. His son Shiladitya discribed him of Virk Gotra in Vijaygarh Pillar. Then Definately he is a Jat. Even in Lok kathas of Mandsaur, he is described as Jat. There are so many dources available that state him Jat. And please tell me, why Thakur Deshraj is not a reliable source? Just because he was a Jat? Utkarsh Rahar (talk) 10:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

There are many sources that prove him a Jat, but if you have ego and don’t want to accept them, then it’s your problem. World knows that Ajay Jarto Huna means Jats defeated Huns. Even many non Jat historians also agree that he was Jat, they are not fools. Chandra Gomin was not a fool to write Ajay Jarto Huna. Utkarsh Rahar (talk) 10:35, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

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"Jat" claim

I've removed Jat castecruft (yet again):

• The first source Martial Races of undivided India is an unreliable source that plagiarizes from Wikipedia
• No page # for the second source
• The third source (RC Mazumdar) actually dismisses this theory stating "It is difficult to take these conclusions seriously"
• The fourth source (Cunningham) is antiquated, and not reliable for such claims (see WP:HISTRS)

utcursch | talk 21:13, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Whoever is the person who is deleting my citiation let me be clear I have given 5 citation this time he strikes out 3 what about other two.Cv Vaidhya page number 104 or something I will add.I have added citiion of Martial race of undivided India and you have deleted it without stating any region. But what is your problem. Ponia.sp (talk) 04:50, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Utcurch Ponia.sp (talk) 04:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Here is page 66 (cited by you in your edit): there is no mention of Yashodharman. Here is page 104: again, no mention of Yashodharman. On a sidenote, Vaidya's book was published in 1928, and discusses obsolete ethnoracial concepts ranging from "Aryo-Dravidian" Satavahanas to "Scytho-Dravidian" Marathas: it is not an acceptable source for your castecruft anyway.

As for your other citations (including ''Martial Races of undivided India), their removal has already been explained above.

Wikipedia is not a place to glorify your caste using dubious citations. utcursch | talk 17:31, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

According to you every claim is wrong.You will find a flaw.Do you have a problem Ponia.sp (talk) 01:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with every statement in the article: I just have problem with fake citations and unreliable sources. Your latest citation is also unreliable: Ram Swarup Joon's History of the Jats is full of fringe claims, including that the Mauryans and the Guptas were Jats. The author is not a qualified historian, and nobody takes him seriously outside of the Jat community. Also see Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 47#Ram Swarup Joon as a reliable source. The other source is a memoir on a politician (Sitaram Jajoo): it is not an acceptable source for a history related article. Even that book doesn't support your assertion: it presents various theories, and states that one 19th century writer - Franz Kielhorn - speculated that Yashodharman was a Jat, because the grammarian Chandragomin describes him as of "Jarath" ancestry.

If you think these sources are reliable, feel free to seek a third opinion at WP:RSN and WT:IND. utcursch | talk 16:58, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

He was a Jat, I have sources

Tushir 25 (talk) 05:06, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

According to you every source is wrong, what is the proof that the source is wrong? I mentioned C.V. Vaidya, Dr. Vinay Shrivastva. Getaes by Sandeep S Jutthi, these all are non Jat historians and agree that Yashodharman was a Jat. Chandr Gomin mentioned his victory as Ajay Jarto Huna(Jats defeated Huns) he was not a fool to write this. In Vijaygarh pillar, Shiladitya addressed himself as Virk, which is a Jat gotra. Any school boy can figure out that he was a Jat, but I think you have a mental problem. And you say that Thakur Deshraj is not reliable, why, just because he was a Jat historian. Stop disrespecting Jat history. Each caste has its own history and they have the right to claim it. Utkarsh Rahar (talk) 11:03, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Feel free to discuss this at WT:IND and WP:RSN. Umpteen discussions there and on other talk pages have established that colonial-era castecruft and caste-glorifying historians are not acceptable sources. utcursch | talk 18:14, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Were Panini and ChandraGomin colonial historians?

Utkarsh Rahar (talk) 01:35, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2022

Tushir 25 (talk) 08:15, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

He was a Jat ruler

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See discussion immediately above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:05, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Pls do this , I have sources Tushir 25 (talk) 05:05, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2022

Chaudhary abhishek up85 (talk) 08:31, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 💜  melecie  talk - 08:45, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Caste:- jat

Yes I read or learn that than I want to publish Chaudhary abhishek up85 (talk) 08:32, 24 September 2022 (UTC)