Talk:Yeshivat Netiv Aryeh

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Abuse allegations

Controversial content about the dean's methods was added to this article in October 2016 by Sk96sk, with an additional source added in April 2019. Since then the information has been blanked a total of 5 times by IPs and a single-purpose account. The last 2 blankings, coming from the same IP, consisted of a first instance, which blanked the long-standing version, and a second instance, which blanked the version that I modified. I had removed the blog reference (not a good thing to use to source biographical information on a living person) and added content culled from the conventional sources. From the edit summaries, it appears that this IP might be closely acquainted with the subject, or otherwise operating on their behalf. Therefore, I refrained from reinstating the content, but instead am seeking input from other active editors who have previously edited this article, such as Ynhockey, Nerguy, שילוני and Mandely as to what form, if any, the notable controversy associated with this school should take. Havradim leaf a message 09:25, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the direct quote in the content is WP:UNDUE, but otherwise it's sound. The information is in the sources, and the sources satisfy WP:RS, as far as I know. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 13:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that instead of including the specifics of what the dean called the students, such as labeling them "fat" or "alcoholic" for example, that instead it should include only generalisations, such as "he would regularly mock their physical appearance and/or personal habits"? Havradim leaf a message 14:51, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and also it should just be a shorter passage. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 15:58, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that the content should be presented under a sub-heading titled "Abuse allegations" and worded as follows:

Allegations of verbal and emotional abuse have been levelled at Bina. He has been alleged to regularly mock problem students' physical appearance or personal habits as a means of exerting control or inflicting punishment on them. The alleged abuse, carried over from his years of teaching at Yeshivat HaKotel, was pointedly withheld from students coming from well-connected backgrounds. Bina's supporters maintain that this behaviour amounted to what was commonly referred to as his 'tough love' approach, which was ultimately beneficial to the students, especially the ones who were inconsistent with their classroom attendance. One such supporter, businessman Sandy Eisenstadt, compared Bina to a drill sergeant.

Havradim leaf a message 10:37, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]