Template:Did you know nominations/1922 Princeton vs. Chicago football game

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:27, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

1922 Princeton vs. Chicago football game

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... that the 1922 Princeton vs. Chicago football game won by Princeton's "Team of Destiny" was the first to be nationally broadcast on radio?

Created by MisterCake (talk). Self-nominated at 09:18, 28 April 2015 (UTC).

Article measures only 1,198 characters and is too short for DYK as it stands. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:59, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Oops. Hopefully that's fixed. Cake (talk) 22:35, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Now measures 1800+ characters but around 350 of them are direct quotes, and I have also found some phrases directly taken from sources - e.g. the story about Gray's father hitting a woman with his programme taken from here [1]. I still don't think there is enough new content in the article to qualify for DYK but have only just started reviewing again so I'd be happy to have a more experienced reviewer look at this.--Bcp67 (talk) 09:20, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Maybe I can tweak the quotes so they don't come off as a copy-paste job. I would be reluctant to just delete them. Walter Camp was the preeminent authority on the sport, the play by Gray swung the contest, and Stagg not subbing with his son is cited often to show his sportsmanship–as well as was a bit of a scandal for Chicago fans. Cake (talk) 18:27, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

No changes made recently. Rcsprinter¹²³ (state) @ 22:19, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

New review request for a second opinion. Fuebaey (talk) 19:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Having considered the length of this article, I think it passes muster. It was also new enough at the time of nomination. It is neutral and I didn't detect any close paraphrasing in the sources I could access. The hook facts have inline citations. A QPQ is due, but as this nomination has already been hanging around for two months, I will donate this one. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:18, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I came by to promote this, but I saw a bit of close paraphrasing and got rid of most of it; I don't know how to rewrite this sentence, though, as I'm not familiar with the sport: The Tigers scored 14 unanswered points in the fourth quarter to rally past Chicago.
Footnotes 1, 8, and 13 need to be expanded more fully, and the publisher should be added to footnotes 3 and 7. Yoninah (talk) 22:07, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Rewrote the sentence, and added a bit more detail. However, there's an uncited quote in the previous paragraph, and I've marked it; it'll need to be addressed before a new approval can be done. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:14, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Per Cwmhiraeth's earlier review and donated QPQ, and work done by and after BlueMoonset. I've had to assume some of the cites were OK as the resolution of some of the clippings requires CSI-style enhancement for legibility, but good on MisterCake for uploading the scans. The only problem remaining is that I'm not sure the hook is accurate; from the source it appears that the game was the first to be broadcast outside the local area, but it seems to have only been transmitted on the East Coast. If you correct that or correct me, this will be good to go. Belle (talk) 09:33, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I do know that's a problem sometimes with the scans (though, I don't upload them) - I often try to find the best one if it's something published in many places. Thanks for your interest. The source does say "up and down the East coast," but it does also say "broadcast nationally." My understanding was before 22 Princeton-Chicago some games were broadcast on local, campus radio (e. g. 1922 Texas-Vandy), but never where say you could call in from outside and receive an update on the score, or listen off campus. The best you could get was a telegram (e. g. 1921 Texas-Vandy). I took it to mean as a subset of "broadcast nationally" one is broadcast "up and down the East coast". Also possible that at the time thorough treatment east of the Miss. (or even east of PA) is all you need to get called "national"–for instance see about Camp's Eastern bias, but many places say it's the first national college football broadcast. Cake (talk) 21:01, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll buy that argument and the additional cites you've added for that statement do say "nationally" and "coast to coast", so perhaps the first source was just unclear. Per my earlier review, good to go. Belle (talk) 22:43, 25 June 2015 (UTC)