Template:Did you know nominations/9/11 Living Memorial Plaza

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 13:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

9/11 Living Memorial Plaza

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... that the 9/11 Living Memorial Plaza is the only monument outside of the United States which lists the names of the nearly 3,000 victims of the September 11 attacks?

Created by AntanO (talk). Self nominated at 08:50, 25 January 2014 (UTC).

Please be reminded that the minimum size of a DYK article is 1500 characters long. This nominee article, at 392 characters, is very much undersized. Please keep typing. Thank you. --PFHLai (talk) 21:14, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I wasn't sure about the size. I'll expand the article. --Anton ^{·٠•●♥Talk♥●•٠·} 06:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

DoneArticle is expanded. --Anton ^{·٠•●♥Talk♥●•٠·} 08:34, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Note to Anton: templates should not be moved; I'd already fixed this nomination template to account for the move yesterday. However, since it has been done, I've fixed it again to prevent the move from breaking things. (Just don't move the DYK template next time you move the article!) BlueMoonset (talk) 17:39, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

ok. --Anton ^{·٠•●♥Talk♥●•٠·} 01:23, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

The article was nominated too late, nine days after its creation; however, it's been expanded 5x since its nomination, so I don't know where that leaves us. In any case, it needs to be copyedited and checked for close paraphrasing. Just looking at the first source, I found:

Article: "the pedestal of the monument contains a piece of molten metal from the ruins of the Twin Towers and molten metal can be viewed through a glass pane"

Source: "The pedestal of the monument contains a piece of molten steel from the remains of the frame of the collapsed edifice, which can be viewed through a glass pane"

Article: "symbolically positioned directly in view of the main cemetery of Jerusalem, Har HaMenuchot"

Source: "symbolically positioned directly in view of Har Hamenuhot, the main cemetery of Jerusalem"

Article: "a height of six meters memorial flame that reaches for the sky"

Source: "a memorial flame six meters high that reaches for the sky"

These are just the first three examples I came across; the whole article will have to be checked against the sources. DoctorKubla (talk) 11:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I can improve the article if someone clarify that 5x expanded article can be nominated for DYK and paraphrase is not acceptable. --Anton ^{·٠•●♥Talk♥●•٠·} 05:12, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Anton, close paraphrasing is never acceptable in any article on Wikipedia; it's a core policy of the site. If you look above the edit window while you're editing this page, you'll see that the DYK criteria in the Article section, number 3, say that the article must be "free of close paraphrasing, copyright violations, and plagiarism". As for 5x expansion, although you nominated the article as new four days late, it has subsequently qualified as a 5x expansion; rather than have you renominate the article, we may as well continue from here, since the article is currently 5x expanded starting on February 4, under five days ago. (Articles can be nominated if, within the past five days, they were new, 5x expanded, or listed as Good Articles.) If you have any additional questions, please ask. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:49, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Could you have a look again? --Anton^Talk 04:52, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Article looks good now, thanks to the efforts of User:EagerToddler39. However, the proposed hook is incorrect; the cited source gives a figure of 2,974 victims. DoctorKubla (talk) 08:42, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. It seems typo in Haaretz's article. I have changed the hook.--Anton^Talk 16:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't like "innocent", it sounds too emotive (and I don't think labeling the footnote "rip" is appropriate). Let me try; this is an alteration of the original hook, which avoids giving a precise figure:

ALT1: ... that the 9/11 Living Memorial Plaza is the only monument outside of New York which lists the names of the nearly 3,000 victims of the September 11 attacks?

Someone else will have to review this hook. DoctorKubla (talk) 08:30, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. You suggestion seems good. We can edit as you suggested. Any comment?--Anton^Talk 11:40, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Done Hook changed as per suggestion. --Anton^Talk 00:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Still needs a hook review; note that ALT1 has been copied over the original hook, so they are both identical and needing review. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the source says "outside the United States" so both article and hook are inaccurate. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:42, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Changed as source says - "outside the United States". --Anton^Talk 13:17, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

The second paragraph of the source (the Haraatz article) says "outside New York". BTW, AntanO, you shouldn't keep changing the original hook; new hooks should be proposed as "alts", like my ALT1. It just avoids unnecessary confusion. DoctorKubla (talk) 08:20, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

The hook (original has been altered and is identical to ALT1), article and source now agree and all the other DYK criteria seem to be met so I think this is ready to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:21, 3 March 2014 (UTC)