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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 20:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

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A Journal of a Voyage to the South Seas

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Maori chief, 1773 engraving
Maori chief, 1773 engraving
  • ... that Sydney Parkinson's Journal of a Voyage to the South Seas, published by his brother based on papers borrowed from Joseph Banks, contains engravings of his own drawings (example pictured)? Source: Holmes 1968 for the engravings, Joppien/Smith 1985 mention for each of them what they are based on.
    • ALT1: ... that Harold St. John rejected the botanical names in A Journal of a Voyage to the South Seas because they are hyphenated? Source: St. John 1972, [1].
    • ALT2: ... that the engraver of an illustration of Australian aborigines (pictured) in the 1773 book A Journal of a Voyage to the South Seas drew them in classical pose and without the woomera in Sydney Parkinson's original? Source: Joppien/Smith 1985, p.45: "..depicted using a throwing-stick. [woomera mentioned] [..] As a result of this confusion, Thomas Chambers [..] drew the two famous defenders of New Holland advancing with dart and sword [..] p. 48: "what Chambers has done essentially is [..] based in part upon antique models...
Two of the Natives of New Holland, Advancing to Combat
Two of the Natives of New Holland, Advancing to Combat

Moved to mainspace by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 22:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC).

Substantial article on an interesting book, on fine sources, subscription sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The images proposed are licensed, and I prefer the "chief" as showing better when small. I suggest we make a hook around it. I like about the original the fact about engravings after his drawings, but believe that not many people will be able to trace from "Hanks" and the title that one of Cook's voyages is meant, - better provide a year, or mention that. The "published by his brother" bit is not making it dramatically more interesting. - The botanical names bit seems less interesting for the general public, - who knows Harold St. John enough to make it work? (... or am I the only one?) - In the article, I'm not happy with text "sandwiched" between images, more than once. An infobox would take care of one such instance, and would clarify facts from the start. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
I've moved the frontispiece to top. I'm not including an infobox at the moment so I don't have to make any hard genre/author decisions, where infoboxes tend to lose subtlety. The only left-aligned image is the one looking to the right now, a standard use case for left-alignment per MOS. The advantage of the aborigines is that we actually have an article discussing that image (I only found out after writing about the book): Two of the Natives of New Holland, Advancing to Combat. But I agree that the tattooed Maori chief is a more stunning image. I don't have a lot of information about the engraving in this case, but we could just go with fairly basic information and take the Maori as an example. I agree that the hyphen question isn't as stunning on first glance, but overall the history of the botany of the South Pacific is quite fascinating, with lots of arguing about correct names and many things published several times, mostly because Joseph Banks hoarded all the information and never published his Florilegium. Anyway, here are some ALTs to go with the Maori chief (whose caption I have changed a little). Let me know what you think. —Kusma (talk) 11:15, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
  • @Kusma: the part about Parkinson dying on the return leg of the journal doesn't appear to be sourced anywhere in the article- am I missing something? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 11:00, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

ALT4 to T:DYK/P6 without image

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