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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 12:40, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

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Airplane Coaster

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Created by IronGargoyle (talk). Self-nominated at 21:38, 30 June 2017 (UTC).

  • The article is new enough, long enough, not seeing any policy issues, QPQ complete. I do not have access to the Munch source to support ALT1 (that sentence in the article could also use an inline citation, though that's obviously not a big deal since you've provided it here), but I think the main hook is most interesting anyway. In fact, my own preference would be to go with the short and punchy ALT2 I've added just below. Unless you have very strong feelings about it, I'll presume leave it up to the promoting admin. The main reason for the query tag, as opposed to the "tick" is the image. It may be that I am unfamiliar with best practice in this scenario, but since it rests on having been published without a copyright notice, wouldn't we need to (a) see the other side of the card, and (b) be sure the card was the photo's first publication? As an aside, congrats on 100k edits. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 05:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks! If you follow the link to the source, you'll see the front and back of the card are both listed at right. At the time I posted the link, I didn't think I could link to the back directly (because of a javascript element in the page) but it seems that I can link to the picture of the back of the card directly here. I'm not sure it's possible to address your second point, but I don't think that Commons has generally required that. I imagine it would be an impossible standard to prove that earlier publication did not occur (see Evidence of absence#Proving a negative). As long as there's no reasonable evidence or reputation of infringement by this publisher (The Eagle Post Card Company), one assumes that it is the first publication. I've looked at a lot of amusement park postcards from this era and they (1) generally don't have copyright notices on the front or back and (2) have never been an issue that I've seen on Commons. IronGargoyle (talk) 07:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the link. Missed that. I have one further hangup regarding the image: there's a symbol in the bottom left of the front? It's faded, but looks like it could be a copyright symbol (clearer in this other Eagle postcard, for example). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:31, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Wow, good eye! It is certainly faded. I suppose I may have to remove the image from the nomination, but there are a couple issues that I would like to investigate and get some feedback on before I dismiss it entirely. It may take me a couple days to run these down. IronGargoyle (talk) 14:53, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • @Rhododendrites: Ok, I did some searching and I am convinced that the copyright was not renewed, so the image should be fine. Using this website I found original registration possibilities for photographs of "Airplane Coaster" by the Westchester County Park System (Playland's owners) in 1928 and 1929, so I searched for 28 years until 1957 using multiple matching keywords (e.g., airplane, coaster, playland) and found nothing similar as a copyright renewal in that time period. Consequently I am changing the license to Template:PD-US-not renewed (I also think there is a good case to made for Template:PD-US-defective notice, but that's a discussion for another day). Let me know what you think. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:57, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks for digging. I haven't used that source before to look for renewals, but I also have no reason to doubt it. Due diligence having been done, I think we're good to go here. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:10, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT2 - ... that multiple authors have called the Airplane Coaster (pictured) the greatest roller coaster ever built?
  • I forgot to mention earlier that this hook sounds good to me. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:01, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
  • - Good to go with ALT2 and the image. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:10, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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