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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Gatoclass (talk) 07:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Arsenius Walsh

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Created/expanded by Daniel the Monk (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

  • - Daniel the Monk, could you please look at Ref #5 in the article, next to the "French frigate, L'Artémise" As a footnote, it would probably make sense. But it doesn't make sense listed as a reference, because it isn't a source in and of itself. — Maile (talk) 21:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I see your point and am in agreement. Unfortunately I have no idea how to separate it as a note distinct from references. Looking in the MOS I find is like looking through a maze. Can you point me to the guide for that edit? Thanks. Daniel the Monk (talk) 01:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)


The following has been checked in this review by Maile66
  • QPQ not necessary
  • Article created by Gerald Farinas on March 31, 2005
  • Before 5X expansion by Daniel the Monk, article was a stub with 723 characters of readable prose
  • Daniel the Monk's edit on October 19, 2012, brought it to 5,241 characters of readable prose
  • NPOV
  • Hook is interesting, short enough and sourced at the end of the sentence
  • Every paragraph sourced
  • Duplication Detector run, no copyvio found

It sure did work. Good job. Daniel the Monk, everything looks pretty good to me. However, I wikified some of the citations. I didn't make any changes, except to re-format the existing inline citations. Because that was technically editing on my part, I believe this might need a second reviewer.to complete this out for you. — Maile (talk) 00:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

  • I have a couple of issues with this one: firstly, the hook statement that he is considered "the apostle of Hawaii" is sourced to a blog of unknown provenance; secondly, the blog seems to be written in bad English and it isn't clear whether it means he was considered the apostle of Hawaii or if he is still considered as such. Gatoclass (talk) 14:43, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Have just notified the nominator on his talk page of these issues. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for that, BlueMoonset. Gatoclass, I have looked at the site again, and I find it written in an English which is far from inferior, and it clearly states that he "is" considered the apostle. So I do not understand your criticism. Could you give some examples of what you mean? Daniel the Monk (talk) 02:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Regardless of how well written the blog is (and I haven't evaluated), Gatoclass's point stands, WP:BLOGS are not reliable sources, not even for normal information in an article, let alone a DYK hook. And this article cites this source for almost a third of it. You need to find a better source, I'm afraid.
In addition to Gatoclass's points:
  • The first paragraph in "Walsh's arrival" section is not sourced. We require a minimum of one cite per paragraph for DYK.
  • Source no. 6, is a comment on a travel website, hardly reliable.
The article's sourcing needs a major re-haul before it's ready for DYK, I'm afraid. Yazan (talk) 17:28, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
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