Template:Did you know nominations/Befreit

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The result was: promoted by Intelligentsium 19:03, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Befreit

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Richard Dehmel

... that Richard Dehmel (pictured) said that "Befreit", the Lied setting of his poem by Richard Strauss, was "a little bit too soft compared to the text, but it appeals to most people"?

Reviewed: Per la ricuperata salute di Ofelia

Created by Byronmercury (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:03, 23 February 2016 (UTC).

New enough, long enough, no close paraphrasing, the images are acceptable and a QPQ has been performed. The Orchestral arrangement section, however, is entirely uncited. Please take care of that, and this will be good to go.—♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 13:13, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

I was told to tell you that I will have to wait for Byronmercury who has access to the sources. I can dig for them after Easter. Aren't they in the publication information? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt and ^(ЯʘCK), all of the details here about dates, locations and the instrumentation are contained in Haider (now referenced). The dates and locations are also in Trenner, but I am not in my office, so cannot give page references for this.Byronmercury (talk) 17:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, please let us know here when this is ready for review. While a source has been added, putting it in a section header is unfortunately not going to work. As nominator, I think it's up to you to fix. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:04, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

I moved the ref. Anything else? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, I've added a "citation needed" tag to the paragraph on other Dehmel settings, revised its final sentence, and adjusted some blockquotes. I am concerned about the inclusion of the complete English translation, since it's from a modern copyrighted source, but since these concerns may not be fully appropriate, I'm going to query Nikkimaria, who has a much better sense of where the line is, and can look over the article. I imagine she'll be able to check in the next day or two. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:30, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

If you mean the Goldmark setting, I already provided WorldCat (and there could be others). Translation: they were in all Bach cantatas in 2010, and I got rid of all of them, and have no translation in "my" Strauss song, but many others have one. I debated the quality of the translation of "Ständchen" in that article's DYK review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have to agree that the translation is a copyright issue - particularly with poetry, translations merit an independent copyright in addition to that of the work from which they are derived. WP:LYRICS, while not policy, gives a good overview of the issue. BlueMoonset also asked me to look at the blockquotes - they're not a copyright concern given the length of the original sources, though they may be more of a style issue. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:33, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

We can't simply drop the texts, - it would need some kind of summary. Byronmercury, could you do that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Gerda ArendtI can do even better than that. Most of the best known Strauss songs had contemporary translations by Paul Bernhoff, published as a universal edition (published around 1900). I can replace the Jefferson with these. The only issue with the Bernhoff is that they are translations to be sung, so that the meaning is not always exactly the same as the German. Give me a few days. I also added the Trenner page for the orchestral premier.Byronmercury (talk) 16:09, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! Take your time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt It will take rather longer than I thought - Befreit is not in the universal edition collection. I will get hold of it, but it will take a week or two.Byronmercury (talk) 13:56, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

BlueMoonset and Gerda Arendt, finally got hold of the 1898 Berhoff lyrics. These are often different to the German, but they do ryhme and can be sung! Byronmercury (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

User:Amberrock are you happy with this DYK now? The section now has an added citation for the section.diff ツStacey (talk) 10:16, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

- As there as been no response from User:Amberrock, I will give this the green light. The article review was done by User:Amberrock and a citation was added for the unreferenced section. ツStacey (talk) 10:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)