Template:Did you know nominations/Bergkirche, Wiesbaden

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:32, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Bergkirche, Wiesbaden

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Bergkirche in Wiesbaden

... that the Bergkirche (pictured) in Wiesbaden, was completed in 1879 on a design by Johannes Otzen, who followed Luther's concept of a universal priesthood? Source: [1]
- ALT1:... that 2019 concerts in the 1879 Bergkirche (pictured) in Wiesbaden featured Arvo Pärt's Passio and Handel's Messiah? Source: two

Reviewed: ~~to come~~
Comment: Sorry, I am a day late, - again. The two concerts would be good for Lent, but I didn't think of it when I expanded for a recent DYK. It's probably streching too long.

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:54, 23 January 2020 (UTC).

Starting review: Alex2006 (talk) 07:52, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: @Gerda Arendt: the article complies with all the requirements for DYK. Personally I would have preferred more citations; anyway, the requirement of one citation per paragraph is fulfilled. About the hooks, I find the first more interesting. I will wait for the QPQ to give the tick. Alex2006 (talk) 07:52, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the review. I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Jean Delumeau. I agree that the original hook is more interesting, only we had a similar one for the same architect's Ringkirche. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Then what about this, @Gerda Arendt:?

ALT2:... that Albert Schweitzer ~~took part in~~was consulted for the rebuilding of the organ of the Bergkirche (pictured) in Wiesbaden? (Source: [2]). Alex2006 (talk) 09:28, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

You and know who that is, but I doubt about our general readership, but that they will know Luther and Handel (or not be interested). - I heard the Pärt, DYK, and like my memories ;) - I think it may come as a surprise that such a rather small church can "stem" Messiah". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

You convinced me :-) : go with ALT1! Alex2006 (talk) 09:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I came by to promote this, but added cn tags for several unverified facts, including the hook fact of the date of completion. Yoninah (talk) 17:59, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I added a ref for the completion. The model for Kreuzkirche thing is harder. It's in both German articles, Bergkirche and Kreuzkirche, and you see it when you look at images and floorplan (search for Kreuzkirche here) but no online source says so. Drop the sentence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I found only the official website for the remaining facts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:56, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. One paragraph is still uncited. Yoninah (talk) 20:52, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I copied the refs from other two churches. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:35, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

If ALT1 - as for Psalm 31 - better not before Lent begins, 26 Feb. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, there is still a "citation needed" template in the first Church music paragraph. Please let us know when it's taken care. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:53, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Alex, BlueMoonset, Yoninah, found one, plus there's detail on the official website also. - Sorry I missed the tag, - when I hear one para I look for one para ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

I am watching this mess here since a couple of days, and I think that here there is a basic misunderstanding: for you, BlueMoonset, Yoninah, a paragraph is a sentence; in other words, you are requiring a citation for each sentence. For me (and in the Italian language) a paragraph is a textual division of a chapter. It is not a problem, but then it would be a good thing to precise it in the rule section of DYK, otherwise reviewers will approve DYK articles which don't fulfill this rule. Or maybe there is another rule which requires one citation per sentence and I missed it? Alex2006 (talk) 07:55, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Alex2006, I wouldn't have asked for a citation on the Albert Schweitzer sentence if it hadn't been the ALT2 hook fact. Therefore I needed to verify it. Otherwise that paragraph had enough cites to qualify for DYK. Yoninah (talk) 11:17, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Alex, 1) this isn't a mess, just the normal thing happening after translating an article with zero inline citations, - and that's normal for the German Wikipedia. They often cite a book as Quellen (sources) and that's it, and I always forget to search for some. 2) In this particular case, one specific sentence is quite a claim, so I understand that a ref is wanted, and it was on the first page google delivered, and anybody could have done that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:18, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

The problem for me is that I don't understand anymore which are the rules to review an article for DYK...An article of mine that today is on DYK (about 20K long) had each sentence referenced except three. Well, the reviewer put three citation needed there. Are we applying for DYK or to reach the state of good article? :-( Alex2006 (talk) 18:10, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

You can always call for a different reviewer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Citations are all in place, thank you. All hook facts are cited inline to foreign-language sources, accepted AGF. If the image is used, ALT0 or ALT2 are appropriate; if ALT1 is chosen, it should run ~~after~~on February 26. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 10:55, 19 February 2020 (UTC)