Template:Did you know nominations/Blackbelly rosefish

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The result was: rejected by PumpkinSky talk 03:21, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Blackbelly rosefish

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... that the blackbelly rosefish has toxic dorsal, pelvic and anal spines?

Reviewed: n/a - not a self-nomination

Created/expanded by Ana Filipa Sobral (talk). Nominated by GaryColemanFan (talk) at 21:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I saw this article (and the awesome picture!) two days ago and thought about nominating it for DYK, but decided not to due to concerns with close paraphrasing. Try googling these texts: "found in soft bottom areas of the continental shelf and upper slope", "The proportions of these prey types in their diet vary according to the size of the fish" (first and second-last sentences of the "Biology" section), "large head with the spination described for the genus and without tabs or tentacles. The profile of the nape is relatively steeply inclined" (first and second sentences in the "Morphological description" section), "free spermatozoa were found primarily in resting ovaries from July through early December with peak occurrence in September through November in the We..." (second sentence in the "Reproduction" section), ..... and "most commercially viable scorpionfish species, with important economic value" (final sentence in the article... this would have been my hook). I found eerily similar sentences elsewhere. I thought about cleaning this article up and then nominate it later, but got busy with other things and forgot about it.... oh, well... --PFHLai (talk) 02:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

My apologies. I should have checked this first. The phrasing is too close for me, so I would like to withdraw this nomination. GaryColemanFan (talk) 14:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

This nom may still be salvageable, but the article will need someone familiar with the fish lingo (someone from WP:FISH, perhaps?) to clean it up. --PFHLai (talk) 01:32, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Hook fact is not supported by source cited. --Orlady (talk) 01:56, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Further to the above, the cited source says that the "scorpion fish" has toxic spines. The source does not mention the blackbelly rosefish. I'm deleting the sentence from the article. --Orlady (talk) 03:22, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - The blackbelly rosefish is a scorpion fish. This is stated at the beginning of the article. GaryColemanFan (talk) 04:39, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, the fact that (1) the North Atlantic ocean fish Helicolenus dactylopterus is considered to be a type of "scorpion fish" and (2) lifeguards in Hawaii are warned about toxic spines on "scorpion fish" does not indicate that Helicolenus dactylopterus has toxic spines. --Orlady (talk) 04:25, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Is this still withdrawn? Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

No, I believe it is alive. Another user suggested that it was salvageable. --Orlady (talk) 16:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

The copyvio situation is egregious, so the article cannot be used without thoroughgoing revisions. However, I've found (and added) a source that indicates that this particular species has toxic venom, although it didn't specify which sets of spines are venomous. --Orlady (talk) 05:23, 30 December 2011 (UTC)