Template:Did you know nominations/Blind Injustice (opera)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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Blind Injustice (opera)
- ... that Blind Injustice is an opera telling the true stories of six people who were wrongfully convicted and later exonerated in Ohio? Source: "Cincinnati Opera has premiered a new opera that chronicles the stories of six people wrongfully convicted in Ohio and in the process, puts America's criminal justice system on trial" [1]
- Reviewed: This is my fifth (last) exempt nomination.
Created by Kenirwin (talk). Self-nominated at 19:16, 3 August 2019 (UTC).
Part of the section Composition and premiere is not referenced, most of the Roles section needs to be referenced, the last sentence of Synopsis needs to be referenced, the Musical numbers section needs to be referenced along with the Recording section. An old revision had a clean copy where only the list of roles need to be referenced. The new additions need to be referenced or removed somehow. The hook is fine. A QPQ is not needed. SL93 (talk) 22:18, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- The nominator hasn't edited in over a week and hasn't edited the article in over a month. Pinging Gerda Arendt as she's the resident opera expert and has edited the article a bit; hopefully see or another editor could help improve the article further or address SL93's concerns. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:18, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't get the ping, but read the page when I have time. An opera synopsis doesn't need a reference, same as for books. I'll look further and eventually come back. Voceditenore would be the opera expert to ask, but she was driven away from DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- Kenirwin, I looked now, and think it's good to know about that opera. Should I go through the article and make it fit for DYK, or would you do it, then I can review? It needs an inline reference behind every paragraph, at least. This can be a repeated reference with a name. Without a response within a few days, I'd go over the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:05, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- Also: how about an article on the composer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I have been trying to find and add citations, and I have just noticed that the Plot Summary section is largely copied from the Cincinnati Opera website's synopsis of the opera [2]. Earwig did not initially pick this up, but when I compared the article with that url, it gives 77.4% copyvio suspected. Several of the other sources describe the plot, so it would be possible to write something original based on the Cincinnati Opera synopsis and the other sources, but would take some work. (Re the Recording section - it's the only one for which I haven't been able to find any sources, so far. It could perhaps be deleted.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:13, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- @RebeccaGreen: and @Gerda Arendt: -- I've deleted the sections on the Recording and the Plot Summary. I had previously written the Synopsis section based on what I could verify with citations. There's still an "citation needed" tag on the list of musical numbers. Is that necessary do you think? - Kenirwin/(talk) 19:37, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I have been trying to find and add citations, and I have just noticed that the Plot Summary section is largely copied from the Cincinnati Opera website's synopsis of the opera [2]. Earwig did not initially pick this up, but when I compared the article with that url, it gives 77.4% copyvio suspected. Several of the other sources describe the plot, so it would be possible to write something original based on the Cincinnati Opera synopsis and the other sources, but would take some work. (Re the Recording section - it's the only one for which I haven't been able to find any sources, so far. It could perhaps be deleted.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:13, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Kenirwin: I'm glad you've been able to do some editing on this article. I have searched for and added some citations, but I'm wondering if you have offline or otherwise hard to access sources for some of the information? That would include the timing of the workshops, composition, auditions, etc, as well as the musical numbers. I have found some of the musical numbers named in sources I've found online, but not all of them. If you have offline sources (eg a program or libretto), it would be great if you could add them, with citations for the info it supports. I have added citations immediately after the sentence which contains the hook information (and also edited it so that it does contain all hook facts), so that should meet WP:DYKRULES#3. Otherwise, Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines D2 says "A rule of thumb is one inline citation per paragraph, excluding the lead, plot summaries, and paragraphs which summarize other cited content." Some DYK promoters/approvers prefer to have a citation at the end of every paragraph, and there are two paras in "Composition and premiere" which don't yet have a citation at the end, as well as "Musical numbers" (as I mentioned, I have added citations to some individual numbers, but I have not found a source online that includes all of them). I hope you'll be able to add sources for them. Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:53, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
- If the creator of the article doesn't return soon, it would be possible to delete the unsourced information in the "Composition and premiere" section, and the whole "Musical numbers" section (some of which are sourced and some not), and allow the nomination to proceed. The article would still be long enough, and the deletions would not be overly detrimental (eg, it's not essential to know that "chorus auditions were conducted in September 2018", or "Several of the cast members at the workshop remained in their roles for the production. By early 2019, all musical pieces had been written and many cast members had been finalized. Select pieces were performed at YPCC events to promote the opera." If at any time the creator or another editor can add sources for the deleted info, it can be re-added. SL93, as the original and only reviewer so far, what do you think? RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:37, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- I would be fine with that. SL93 (talk) 20:49, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- @SL93: I have gone ahead and deleted the section and sentences I mentioned. They can be re-added if sources become available. So I think you could probably complete your review now. RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:05, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- @RebeccaGreen: Before I finish the review, do you know if this part - "They were joined by additional AGMA choristers." is needed? It is unreferenced. SL93 (talk) 17:17, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- Hi @SL93: No, not necessary - I've just deleted it, and edited the preceding sentence slightly (to say "drawn from" rather than "composed of" the choral collective), which I think allows for other members of the chorus .... but feel free to edit it. I did look for sources for the AGMA choristers, I'm pretty sure, and couldn't find anything specific. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:23, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- @RebeccaGreen: Before I finish the review, do you know if this part - "They were joined by additional AGMA choristers." is needed? It is unreferenced. SL93 (talk) 17:17, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- @SL93: I have gone ahead and deleted the section and sentences I mentioned. They can be re-added if sources become available. So I think you could probably complete your review now. RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:05, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- I would be fine with that. SL93 (talk) 20:49, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- If the creator of the article doesn't return soon, it would be possible to delete the unsourced information in the "Composition and premiere" section, and the whole "Musical numbers" section (some of which are sourced and some not), and allow the nomination to proceed. The article would still be long enough, and the deletions would not be overly detrimental (eg, it's not essential to know that "chorus auditions were conducted in September 2018", or "Several of the cast members at the workshop remained in their roles for the production. By early 2019, all musical pieces had been written and many cast members had been finalized. Select pieces were performed at YPCC events to promote the opera." If at any time the creator or another editor can add sources for the deleted info, it can be re-added. SL93, as the original and only reviewer so far, what do you think? RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:37, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Kenirwin: I'm glad you've been able to do some editing on this article. I have searched for and added some citations, but I'm wondering if you have offline or otherwise hard to access sources for some of the information? That would include the timing of the workshops, composition, auditions, etc, as well as the musical numbers. I have found some of the musical numbers named in sources I've found online, but not all of them. If you have offline sources (eg a program or libretto), it would be great if you could add them, with citations for the info it supports. I have added citations immediately after the sentence which contains the hook information (and also edited it so that it does contain all hook facts), so that should meet WP:DYKRULES#3. Otherwise, Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines D2 says "A rule of thumb is one inline citation per paragraph, excluding the lead, plot summaries, and paragraphs which summarize other cited content." Some DYK promoters/approvers prefer to have a citation at the end of every paragraph, and there are two paras in "Composition and premiere" which don't yet have a citation at the end, as well as "Musical numbers" (as I mentioned, I have added citations to some individual numbers, but I have not found a source online that includes all of them). I hope you'll be able to add sources for them. Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:53, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
