Template:Did you know nominations/Camilla Gray
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:01, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
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Camilla Gray[edit]
... that Camilla Gray's research into Russian art was hindered by official antipathy to abstract art?- ALT1:
... that Camilla Gray's attempts to write about Russian art were frustrated by her lack of a university degree?
- ALT1:
*** ALT2:... that the art historian Camilla Gray did not attend university because her father did not believe in higher education for women?
- Reviewed: Dil Dhadakne Do
Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Self-nominated at 21:15, 11 February 2018 (UTC).
Article is almost ready to be approved: new enough, everything is properly sourced (offline sources AGF accepted), no plagiarism detected, image has an appropriate fair use license, and neutral. Just three things: 1. QPQ needs to be done, 2. should "Hepatitis" be capitalized, and 3. While there is a cited year of birth in the article, there's no mention of an exact birthdate. Is her birthdate unknown? Once these issues are resolved, this will be approved. Tentatively approving ALT0 for promotion. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:01, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you @Narutolovehinata5: QPQ done, no I don't believe medical conditions are usually capitalised in running text, I too noticed the exact DOB was missing and didn't find it in any source. It is stated in the Russian Wiki but without a source I could access. Perhaps the DYK will draw out a source we can use. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Issues have been resolved, although "Hepatitis" probably shouldn't be capitalized, so this is good to go. In addition to ALT0, ALT1 also seems interesting and is thus approved as well; ALT2 is struck as the belief that women should not seek higher education was not uncommon (and thus not really remarkable) in those days. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Philafrenzy: your signature doesn't appear anywhere on the QPQ. Yoninah (talk) 20:36, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- No, it was done as a gift to me for helping Whispyhistory expand one of their articles. (No rule against that as far as I know) It hasn't been used elsewhere. Trust me, it would have been quicker to have done the review. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:34, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- OK. No problem. Restoring tick per Narutolovehinata5's review. Yoninah (talk) 22:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Philafrenzy: OK, I'm ready to promote this, and ALT0 is by far the better hook, but I don't see in the article or the sources that her research was hindered by official antipathy to abstract art. This antipathy is only mentioned in connection with her visa problems. Yoninah (talk) 22:51, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- I will look. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- No, it was done as a gift to me for helping Whispyhistory expand one of their articles. (No rule against that as far as I know) It hasn't been used elsewhere. Trust me, it would have been quicker to have done the review. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:34, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- It's both. The source says "She also continued to work hard on Art in Revolution. The effort weakened her health: in Britain she had to overcome not only problems of organisation, but misunderstandings. And in the Soviet Union, she faced the official hostility to abstract art." (Design obit) Her most important work was carried out in Russia but so was her fiancee. Art in Revolution was an exhibition staged in 1971 that she worked for years to bring off and the first big thing she had done since the 1962 book. It's no coincidence that it happened two years after she was allowed back in to marry in 1969. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:24, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- Edited the text to make sure this is reflected in both the writing and personal life sections. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:39, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Philafrenzy: Thank you. But now the hook has to be changed. The antipathy doesn't relate to her "research", but to her exhibition at the Hayward Gallery. Yoninah (talk) 11:05, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you @Narutolovehinata5: QPQ done, no I don't believe medical conditions are usually capitalised in running text, I too noticed the exact DOB was missing and didn't find it in any source. It is stated in the Russian Wiki but without a source I could access. Perhaps the DYK will draw out a source we can use. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- Alt 3... that Camilla Gray's attempts to stage an exhibition of Russian art in Britain were hindered by Soviet antipathy to abstract art? Philafrenzy (talk) 14:43, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
