Template:Did you know nominations/Caroline Stephen

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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 16:34, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Caroline Stephen

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~~... that Caroline Stephen's "Quaker classic" was called a "little work" by a leading biographer (her brother)?~~

ALT1:have a go
Reviewed: Belated QPQ = Edith Fitzgerald

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 10:50, 16 December 2015 (UTC).

ALT1: ~~... that Caroline Stephen's brother was a biographer, who used to call her "Silly Milly"?~~ Yoninah (talk) 10:58, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

thx Yoninah for alt1 - but did he write her biography? (revert if Ive made a mistake) Victuallers (talk)

article was created within the last seven days of my assessment, it's clearly over 1,500 characters and meets policy guidelines. I prefer ALT1 as it is both more interesting and more valid. It's a small issue, but original blurb claims Leslie Stephen is a "leadng biographer", which is not cited in the article. This could be easily reworded, though. Also, there is a photograph in the public domain available, which might be of use on the main page. I'm a little new to the QPQ system, but since there is no evidence of either nominators reviewing another article, I shall put this on hold. Please ping me when you have done so or if you have already just let me know. Jolly Ω Janner 05:52, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

You're right, @Victuallers:, he was not her biographer. He was a "leading biographer", being the first editor of the Dictionary of National Biography, but the use of the parentheses in the first hook is not standard practice. I'd like to suggest an improvement on ALT0:
ALT2: ... that while Caroline Stephen's book was considered a "Quaker classic" even 100 years after publication, her brother dismissed it as "another little work of hers"? Yoninah (talk) 10:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

ALT2 is good. Jolly Ω Janner 01:08, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

@Jolly Janner: could you please provide a review that explicitly confirms that the five main DYK criteria have been met, and follow it up with an approval tick for ALT2? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:19, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

I have already assessed four of the five main requirements in my first comment and nothing has changed since then (i.e. still fails due to QPQ). The only change is that of the hook. On second thoughts, I think it needs a semi-colon as it is representing two facts. One might get confused into thinking her brother's statement occurred 100 years later. Jolly Ω Janner 07:54, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

"Meets policy guidelines" is not an explicit statement of which policy guidelines you assessed. Regarding changing the comma to the semi-colon, that would be an incorrect use of a semi-colon from a grammatical standpoint. The hook makes perfect sense to the casual reader. Yoninah (talk) 09:25, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks @Jolly Janner:, apologies for the late QPQ, thx for the review and have a good xmas Victuallers (talk) 23:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

ALT2 QPQ now complete. Further to my previous comments, the statement for the hook is backed up by an inline citation at the end of sentence. The remaining information in the article is backed up be at least one inline citation per paragraph and the prose is well written. Jolly Ω Janner 00:09, 3 January 2016 (UTC)