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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:24, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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Catarina Macario[edit]

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Created by SirEdimon (talk). Self-nominated at 00:28, 7 January 2019 (UTC).

  • The article is long enough and new enough with no copyright violations. A QPQ is not needed because this is the user's third nomination. However, the Honors section needs to be referenced. SL93 (talk) 07:05, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
  • This is ready to go. SL93 (talk) 20:43, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but which source says she is the first and only Brazilian player to win these awards? The sources above only confirm that she won the awards. Yoninah (talk) 00:11, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah I just checked all the winners one by one. She is the first Brazilian to ever win any of these awards and, as she is the most recent winner, she is also, by now, the only Brazilian to ever win it.SirEdimon (talk) 00:20, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @SirEdimon: you need a source to verify this. Yoninah (talk) 00:24, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah I understand it, but it's bizarre. It's a matter of logic. If no Brazilian has ever won these awards, she's logically the first and only Brazilian to ever win it. It's just a logic thing.SirEdimon (talk) 00:40, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @SirEdimon: Yes, but that's where original research comes in. In sports articles that I've reviewed in the past, a source is provided that shows the list of winners, and then it can be deduced that she's the only Brazilian. But you do need cited sources for "first" and "only". Yoninah (talk) 00:48, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah If I find a list of winners showing that she's the only Brazilian to ever win it. Would it resolve the issue?SirEdimon (talk) 01:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @SirEdimon: But it doesn't say anything about her being Brazilian; it just identifies her as a Stanford player. Isn't there a sports feature or an interview article that specifically mentions the claim you're making in the article? Yoninah (talk) 11:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah All the references about her winning the awards state that she's "Brazilian" or "Brazilian-born" (since she moved to the US at the age of 11/12). Also, there's an extensive interview with her, done by one of the most respected Brazilian's sports news television programs, called "Esporte Espetacular". In the interview, they talk about her childhood in Brazil. However, the interview (that can be watched here) is in Portuguese (sorry). As I told before, there are several sources indicating the nationality of the previous winners of these awards and none of them are Brazilians, Macario is the first one who is born and raised in Brazil, which can be easily confirmed by the sources. However, I can't find any sources in English that specifically mentions my claiming. I'm sorry for giving you so much work.SirEdimon (talk) 19:48, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @SirEdimon: Your sources don't have to be in English. But they must verify the hook fact. Cobbling together one source that says she's Brazilian with another source that lists the winners won't work here. Yoninah (talk) 19:38, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah Unfortunately, I can't find any sources that say exactly what I'm claiming in my hook. Perhaps in the future, some journalist will realize that she's the first Brazilian to ever win these awards. I think that's due to the fact that she is more identified as an American than as a Brazilian, despite the fact that technically she only Brazilian.SirEdimon (talk) 19:01, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
  • SirEdimon Oh, well. Please adjust the wording in the article. If you still want to get this on the main page, please submit a new hook. Yoninah (talk) 19:06, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah I've been thinking about a new hook, but I just can't find one.SirEdimon (talk) 03:32, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I removed the unsourced information. At this point, the character count is at 1308 characters. If you can bring it up to the 1500-character minimum, you might find something else to develop a hook. Yoninah (talk) 14:17, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah I've tried another hook. If you could check it I would appreciate it. Thanks.SirEdimon (talk) 23:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @SirEdimon: I think it would be helpful to those of us who don't follow sports to contrast her being born in Brazil with her winning a U.S. sports prize. If the hook gets too long, perhaps mention one of the prizes and say it's a U.S. prize. Meanwhile, the article does not meet the minimum length requirement at present. Yoninah (talk) 23:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
  • It has been over two weeks since the above, and the article is currently too short at 1314 prose characters—it needs to be at least 1500 in order to qualify. I have just pinged SirEdimon on their talk page, and hope to see a post here and an expansion of the article soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:15, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
    • So sorry people. I forgot about it. I'll fix it in the next few days. I'm really sorry. I really forgot about it.SirEdimon (talk) 01:22, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
      • Yoninah and BlueMoonset I'm really sorry for having forgotten this one. I have improved the article (that's now about 2000 characters) and proposed a new blurb.SirEdimon (talk) 20:18, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you for expanding the article. I did some more editing and also added a "citation needed" tag. Actually, more inline cites are needed next to factual information such as her playing statistics and awards won. Please don't bunch up all the cites at the end of the paragraph. Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Regarding the hook, I think it's very good, only if you spell everything out, the reader has no reason to click on it. I suggest trimming it to:
  • ALT1a: ... that Brazilian-born Catarina Macario won three of the most prestigious American college soccer awards in the same year? Yoninah (talk) 21:28, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
  • For me it's ok. This "ALT1a" was my original idea, but then I thought would important to mention the awards. But this "ALT1a" you suggest is fine for me.SirEdimon (talk) 21:34, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @SirEdimon: we are waiting for you to add a citation where indicated, and to spread out the citations rather than bunch them up at the end of the paragraphs. Yoninah (talk) 17:24, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah I think now the citations are where it should be.SirEdimon (talk) 18:10, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • @SirEdimon: frankly, the citations were a mess but I cleaned them up for you. I removed two citations that didn't verify anything. ALT1a is verified and cited inline. ALT1a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:38, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
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