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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PanydThe muffin is not subtle 17:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

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Cathedral Parish of Saint Paul the First Hermit

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San Pablo Cathedral

Created/expanded by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 23:46, 22 August 2014 (UTC).

  • There is no inline citation for the hook fact nor can I find it in any of the referenced sites. I suggest
  • Full review needed. (Finished making the appropriate template updates to reflect the article move; struck original hook per Cwmhiraeth.) BlueMoonset (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
  • The sources in the first two footnotes don't look reliable to me. Is there any reason to assume they are?--Carabinieri (talk) 08:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Article was created on 15 August and nominated 22 August, so it meets the "new" criteria. Length checks out. However, like Carabinieri, I agree about the concern of reliability of those initial two citations. In addition, the citation for the hook appears to be a Media Office of the Constitution and By-Laws of the Catholic Bishops (CBCP) and I'm not sure this is sufficiently independent of the subject. There are also close paraphrasing concerns in this source from its first bullet point in the article. Unless all of these can be addressed, I don't think this is an appropriate article for DYK. I, JethroBT drop me a line 20:23, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Sourcing checks out, but paraphrasing concerns are still there. Compare:
  • Source: The Cathedral of St. Paul the Hermit was first built with light materials by Fr. Mateo Mendoza in 1586. The second church, made of brick and stone, was built in 1629 by Father Hernando Cabrera. The present building was built in 1714 by Fr. Francisco Eloriaga on a foundation laid down by Fr. Juan Labao in 1680.
  • Article: The Parish of San Pablo de los Montes was established in 1586 by Augustinian Father Mateo Mendoza and a church made of light materials was built. The second church made of stone and adobe was built in 1629. In 1662, a new church was built under the Augustinians, then in 1680 under Father Juan Labo, OSA laid the foundations of the current church. The present church was built in 1714 and completed in 1721 by Father Francisco Juan de Elorreaga, OSA.
It's clear you tried to paraphrase here in some spots, but I think it could still be a little better, particularly about the second church. If this section can be rephrased, I think this should be good to go. I, JethroBT drop me a line 19:46, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Done. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 08:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The article has some unsourced material.--Carabinieri (talk) 18:51, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Carabinieri? Can you please add a citation tag to those line/s that is/are unsourced? Per Rule D2, a minimum of one citation per paragraph is needed to qualify for DYK. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 09:49, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
"Its titular is St. Paul the First Hermit and its feast is celebrated every January 15." That sentence is unsourced.
"In 1680 under Father Juan Labo laid the foundations of the current church. The current church building was started in 1714 and completed in 1721 by Father Francisco Juan de Elorreaga, OSA" These two sentences are also unsourced.
"The Franciscan later administered the parish of San Pablo (which was then part of the province of Batangas) on April 4, 1794 with Father Andres Cabrera, OFM as parish priest". You probably means the Franciscans. I think the source actually says that it was the Augustinians.
Also the article probably needs copyediting by a native English speaker.--Carabinieri (talk) 06:13, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
I would like to seek first Rule D2.--Carlojoseph14 (talk) 07:23, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
If you want to throw policy around, there is also WP:WIADYK: "Articles for DYK must conform to the core policies of Verifiability, Living Person Biographies and Copyright. Nominations should be rejected if an inspection reveals that they are not based on reliable sources".--Carabinieri (talk) 17:16, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay. Will edit this. I though the one ref per para is enough after I saw this nomination passed DYK.--Carlojoseph14 (talk) 17:36, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Let's get this nomination moving, please. I reviewed all the references and do not see any that are unreliable. The unreliable refs mentioned earlier must have been deleted. I also did some copyediting and organized the presentation so it reads more smoothly. There is no close paraphrasing, and there is at least one cite per paragraph, per Rule D2. (This rule does not apply to the lead, and every sentence in the lead does not need to be sourced for non-contentious information in a start-class article.) The article is new enough, long enough, adequately sourced, no close paraphrasing seen. No QPQ needed for non-self-nom. The ALT1 hook ref is verified and cited inline. Image is pd. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:02, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
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