Template:Did you know nominations/Cinema of Venezuela

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The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 14:39, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Issues still unresolved after over a month and multiple pings; closing as unsuccessful.

Cinema of Venezuela

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A frame from the film

... that the first Venezuelan film was an 1897 short (frame pictured) showing a dentist pulling teeth? Source: "we know thanks to documental research that the name of these first films were Un célebre especialista sacando muelas en el gran Hotel Europa" (The Beginnings of Cinema in Venezuela)
- ALT1:... that the public response to the introduction of cinema to Venezuela was "cold" and "indifferent"? what could have been expected, the reception given to cinema could be said to have been cold and characterized by a kind of indifferent curiosity" (The Beginnings of Cinema in Venezuela)

Reviewed: Eight Li brothers

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 02:29, 17 December 2018 (UTC).

The full review will be to follow, but for now I believe the article might need some copyediting due to improper capitalizations in certain places (for example "first Cinematography Law"). In addition, several statements such as "Equally famous is the 1977 film El Pez que Fuma (Román Chalbaud).", "The 2013 horror film La Casa del Fin de los Tiempos became such a success that its director was hired in 2016 to shoot an American remake." lack citations. Of the two hooks, the first hook is probably the best option, but I'd rather it not go with the image since it's rather dark and doesn't actually depict the dentist pulling teeth (if an image of that could be found, then that might work better). I understand that some editors are not exactly fond of "first" hooks, so I will not object if ALT1 or another hook is promoted in its stead. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:20, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: The issues brought up in the above comment have been handled; not improper capitalisation, since its a proper noun (the name of the Cinematography Law wasn't very inventive), and citations have been added. Problem with the image is that it's the only surviving part of the film, as far as anyone knows. I don't mind which hook is used, or if there's others. If I can find the ref for it, perhaps say that the film industry in Venezuela routinely makes a loss? Kingsif (talk) 02:41, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds like an interesting factoid. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:47, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Kingsif: Would it be alright for you to propose a hook based on that, regarding the loss-making? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:56, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: sure, I just wrote a paragraph all about it on the page, under Viewership. Kingsif (talk) 04:27, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that the Venezuelan film industry regularly makes a national loss, due to lack of interest and general financial mismanagement?

The article does appear to meet the 5x expansion requirement, which was met before nomination. For the most part the article is sourced; Spanish-language references are accepted in good faith. Of the hooks proposed, the original hook and ALT 2 are the only ones to be approved; the hook to be promoted will be left to the promoter. Both are cited inline, interesting, and verified. Earwigs has a relatively high score and detects some possible close paraphrasing with this source. In addition, the article still needs a full copyedit, as there are still typos and improperly-parsed symbols (for example: "we can point to specific"). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:24, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will take a look over sources and the funny symbols... next year Kingsif (talk) 17:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
  - @Narutolovehinata5: I've looked at the copyvio report, it shows that the overlap is mostly film names, with three quotations. It's rather unavoidable to not mention the same film names, unfortunately. I think I've removed all the funny symbols - looking at where they were, it'll be a funny accent key when I was editing that section. Kingsif (talk) 13:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Noted. I'd still recommend a full copy edit to make the article flow better. I'd also suggest either linking to Bolivares or giving an approximate exchange rate at the time of the publication of the source (obviously not the current exchange rate). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:27, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Obviously - I'll try give it a copyedit later today, and add more. Kingsif (talk) 13:43, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

@Kingsif: It's been a week now, have you been able to do your copyedit? I just took a look at the article and while the article looks better, there's still room for improvement wording-wise. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:16, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- I gave it some, but I was largely preoccupied trying to keep several other pages clean! I'm a bit exhausted at the moment, I'll try to get to it soon. Kingsif (talk) 15:01, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
  - Noted. As this nomination has been on for so long,@Kingsif: I'll give you two weeks to resolve all issues. If they are not resolved by then, this nomination will be marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:12, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@Kingsif: Final ping: please respond by the 20th. Otherwise, I will mark this for closure. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:37, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Nominator has not responded to pings and has been not edited the article this month. Marking for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 04:44, 21 February 2019 (UTC)