Template:Did you know nominations/Coat of arms and flag of Transylvania

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:08, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Coat of arms and flag of Transylvania[edit]

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Arms of Transylvania

... that Romanian activists viewed the charges on the Transylvanian arms (pictured) as discriminatory, but adopted its tinctures? Source: Several sources for the proposal to modify the arms to include Romanian symbols, and even more for the related issue of the arms being seen (wrongly, but commonly) as representing the other nations of Transylvania; for the adoption of tinctures, Sterca-Șuluțiu and Neagu are the more detailed sources.
- ALT1:... that Chancellor von Kaunitz personally intervened so that the Hungarian cross would not be included in Transylvania's coat of arms (pictured)? Source: Szabo, pp. 333–334

"Wolf's teeth" on a 1645 map of Transylvania

- ALT2:... that "wolf's teeth" (pictured) were once a feature of Transylvanian state symbols? Source: Cernovodeanu, pp. 129, 130–131; Tiron (2011), pp. 337–338

Reviewed: Presidential exemption for Jews
Comment: Please note that the image of the regular shield goes with ALT0 and ALT1; the wolf's teeth are for ALT2.

5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 08:50, 30 January 2019 (UTC).

Just a comment: the (pictured) in ALT2 should not come after wolf's teeth, but after the bolded thing, and what makes these teeth a wolf's, vs. some other animal? - Not really my kind of topic, so I may not review unless I find only less my topic ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. Technically, the image shows just the teeth, which were never used as a standalone symbol for Transylvania in heraldry, but were sometimes used as a dynastic badge, in composition with the more consecrated regional symbols; they were also used on flags, but those flags were most likely tied to the ruler than to the "nation" of Transylvania. Telling the reader that the shield used here was the actual state symbol would be inaccurate. Also: it's tradition that refers to them as "wolf's teeth", for reasons that I didn't really research, and would be extraneous here (they might have a purpose in the Báthory family article). If I can speculate, I think they're a(n) (mis)interpretation of the original shield, which had an abstract symbol of jagged triangles. In any case, by the late 16th century they were widely referred to as wolf's teeth and read as a symbol of Báthory competence in war -- see for instance the 1575 poem quoted in Felicia Roșu, Elective Monarchy in Transylvania and Poland-Lithuania, 1569-1587, 2017, p. 87. Dahn (talk) 06:40, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Also consider this for April's Fool or Halloween or such:

ALT 3: ... that Transylvanian emblems included teeth (pictured) and a cross, but the latter was removed because it displeased a Count? Dahn (talk) 19:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Full review needed, now that hook discussion has concluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:49, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
5x expansion accomplished, QPQ accomplished, and the hook facts are all cited inline; assuming good faith for the offline sources. Didn't find any close paraphrasing. Of the proposed hooks, all of them could have been suitable, but ALT3 is probably the best option as it's the easiest to understand (the other hooks may require knowledge of Romanian history and thus would limit their appeal). ALT3 is good to go, but I don't think it's quirky or weird enough for April Fool's, and Halloween is way too far away, so this shouldn't be special occasion'd. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)