Template:Did you know nominations/Cystocele

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by BlueMoonset (talk) 15:02, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Withdrawn per request of nominator.

Cystocele[edit]

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Treating prolapsed bladder in ancient Greece

... ~~that the ancient Greeks treated a woman's prolapsed bladder by hanging her upside down by the feet and shaking her up and down (pictured) to let gravity cure the condition?~~ Source: Lensen, E. J. M.; Withagen, M. I. J.; Kluivers, K. B.; Milani, A. L.; Vierhout, M. E. (2013-10-01). "Surgical treatment of pelvic organ prolapse: a historical review with emphasis on the anterior compartment". International Urogynecology Journal. 24 (10): 1593–1602. doi:10.1007/s00192-013-2074-2. ISSN 0937-3462.
- ALT1:... ~~that Polybus, the son-in-law of Hippocrates, treated prolapsed bladder by taking a pomegranate, dipping it in vinegar, and inserting it into the vagina?~~ Source: the same as the first hook.
- ALT2:...that, in ancient Greece, pomegranates were used as a pessary to treat prolapsed bladder in women?

Comment: It would be great to have this on the main page for April 1.

5x expanded by Barbara (WVS) (talk). Self-nominated at 21:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC).

While we're on the topic, see User:EEng#Museum_of_If_Mark_Twain_Had_Been_a_Gynecologist. E Eng 21:59, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

~~On it.~~ Some issues with the hooks, but that's easy enough to fix. You sure you want all those links in there? A) "pessary" is the one people won't know; B) you're just siphoning clicks away from the article you worked on. — LlywelynII 09:22, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Huh. Same issue as over here. Wasn't actually 5× in the last ten days (5× began Dec 17); this is closer than the Isabella article but I'll just wait on the decision there about whether we have a backlog or whether y'all should just be more timely about submitting these things. — LlywelynII 09:38, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

It looks like there's a consensus of editors that the backlog + the upcoming WikiCup means taking a firmer stance on cutoff rules. If one of the admins comes by and feels differently about this article, ping me and let me know. [Personally, I appreciate the work on the article but am a little relieved to be sparing unsuspecting clickers-by from the picture that heads this article... yrrrgghhh...] — LlywelynII 12:02, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

I would like to remind everyone that April Fools' Day is the one exception to the newness criteria—as long as the article is "new" since the most recent April 1, it is eligible for consideration. Complete details on eligibility are at Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know. So long as this qualifies for an April 1 outing, it is not a late submission. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:49, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Outing? Who will we be outing? E Eng 17:54, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

I like the first hook the best if that matters. I agree that people will not know what a pessary is. How about I improve the pessary article enough to also be a DYK. Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 02:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh goody. Great hooks available in the text I linked above. E Eng 04:25, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I saw. You are quite outrageous, you know. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 18:45, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Outrageous is my middle name. E Outrageous Eng 20:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

This isn't actually an April Fools' topic/issue/hook/anything (It's a medical article and the hooks aren't puns and are only amusing to the extent one considers the Greek treatments somewhat silly; they presumably had sugar/acidic/sympathetic-magic reasons for their use, although that isn't explained in the article at present), but if we want to process the nomination that's fine. ~~Be right back.~~

Other than the timing issue noted above, the article is long enough [~18.3k elig. chars.]; per earwig, some fairly massive copyvio issues to address; various copy editing mistakes that should be addressed ("[...]a greek physician[...]", "[...]wrote: 'a[...]", "In 350 A.D,[...]", &mc.); ALT0 source behind a paywall but AGF; source doesn't match ALT0 (they allegedly shook the frame, not the woman); ALT1 not clearly sourced and needs clarification: the phrasing isn't clear whether he did anything, whether he is advising these treatments should be done, or if some other person happened to try them with uncertain results; ALT2 seems fine, as long as we're ok with using the word "treat" despite its implication that this medical procedure may in fact be successful (anything non-emphatically "ineffective" will likely get at least some "holistic medicine" advocates to try it out), with the source AGF. There are still other issues about the page formatting, but we can address those down the line once the essential DYK bits are taken care of. — LlywelynII 16:31, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

The massive copyright violations consists of content from a government source and from the public domain. Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 23:47, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

After reading and considering your comments I would like to help reduce the amount of time that it may take in the continued review of this dyk by withdrawing this nomination. I could fix the issues described, but I'm not feeling up to it at this time. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 23:54, 8 January 2018 (UTC)