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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:53, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
... that the Buddhist Dhāraṇī(pictured) found in a Korean temple are the oldest known printed texts in the world? Source: [1] Joseph Needham; Tsien Tsuen-Hsuin (1985). Science and Civilisation in China: Volume 5, Chemistry and Chemical Technology, Part 1, Paper and Printing. Cambridge University Press. p. 150. ISBN978-0-521-08690-5., Quote: "The specimen found in Korea predates the dharani charm from Japan printed c. +764–70, and which until recently was considered to be the world's oldest extant example of printing. That there were a million copies of the charm in Japan is recorded in several contemporary documents, which also relate that in +764 a copy of one of the four versions of dharani was placed in every one of a million tiny wooden pagodas [...] The text is from the same sutra as the one recently discovered in Korea, but the latter consists only of the prayers in Chinese characters transliterated from the Sanskrit, while the scroll from Korea is much longer [...]"; [2] Robert E. Buswell (2004). Encyclopedia of Buddhism. Macmillan Reference. p. 676. ISBN978-0-02-865720-2., Quote: "The earliest examples of Buddhist printing involve a type of charm or spell called a dharani. To date, the oldest printed material that has been discovered is the Korean Mugu chonggwang taedarani kyong"; [3] Allen Kent; Harold Lancour; Jay E. Daily (1978). Encyclopedia of Library and Information Science: Volume 24 - Printers and Printing. CRC Press. p. 77. ISBN978-0-8247-2024-7., Quote: "The oldest extant specimens of such prints were not found in China, but in Japan and Korea. In Japan it is the dharani customarily referred to as the hyakumanto, and in Korea, a dharani discovered in 1966 at the Pulguksa temple in Kyongju."; [4] P.L. Chau (2001). "Why didn't flood of print launch science in China?". Nature. 409 (8 February): 662., Quote: "The earliest surviving example of printed text is a 'dharani sutra' scroll printed between 704 and 751, now kept in Pulguksa Temple, Kyongju, Korea, and the earliest extant example of a printed book is the Diamond Sutra of 868, now kept in the British Museum."; [5] British Library, The Million Pagoda Charms, Quote: "The Hyakumantō darani were long thought to be the world’s oldest surviving printed items but in 1966 a similar dharani was discovered in a stone pagoda at Pulguksa Temple in Korea. Although it is undated it is believed to date from some time before 751 when the stone pagoda was completed."
ALT1:... that the world's oldest printed texts are Dhāraṇī composed in Indian Sanskrit, written in transliterated scripts, printed using Chinese methods, and preserved in Korean and Japanese Buddhist temples? Source: Peter Francis Kornicki (2018). Languages, Scripts, and Chinese Texts in East Asia. Oxford University Press. pp. 112–117. ISBN978-0-19-879782-1.
ALT2:... that the world's oldest printed texts are 8th-century Buddhist charms called Dhāraṇī(pictured) preserved in Korean and Japanese temples? Source: Mark Edward Lewis (2009). China’s Cosmopolitan Empire. Harvard University Press. p. 238. ISBN978-0-674-03306-1., Quote: "The earliest surviving printed texts are eighth-century samples of Buddhist charms preserved in Korea and Japan. The oldest is a scroll discovered in 1966 in a stone stupa in the Pulguk-sa temple in Kyongju, Korea. [...] Another specimen of the same scroll printed between 764 and 770 has been preserved in Japan."
New enough: - According to DYKcheck, "Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 67 edits ago on November 2, 2018". The article should have been nominated before 9 November and posted in the 2 November date slot. However, given the length of the article I am willing to cut the nominator some slack on that point.
Overall: Recommend IAR the nomination date and going with the original hook, as most interesting. Catrìona (talk) 02:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Catriona: Thank you! The article belongs to our religion space, and it is a bit sensitive given it shows how charms / spells / magic incantations / amulets were a big part of East Asian, South Asian, and Southeast Asian Buddhism by at least some 1,500 years ago. I felt it was more important to get the NPOV/balance aspects addressed first, rather than rush the article for a DYK nom. If admins/evaluators deem that the delay is unacceptable and reject this nom on technical grounds, I understand. I cheerfully support and accept the rejection. I am also too busy in RL at work and home with kids who are more interested in Bishzilla and other "very important" things! If the ~2 day filing delay for this article that went from about 4.6K to 72K expansion is accepted per IAR, I feel it might be an interesting DYK. I do want to thank JimRenge for watching and the encouragement. Thank you once again for the review. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:08, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
- Length, Date (I'm not bothered by a few days late), Cite (AGF on those which are inaccessible), QPQ, and Earwigs check. Image is freely licensed and was taken by the nominator (dual PD-Art and CC-BY-SA). Original hook and ALT2 approved. Best, Mifter (talk) 23:22, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
- According to DYKcheck, "Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 67 edits ago on November 2, 2018". The article should have been nominated before 9 November and posted in the 2 November date slot. However, given the length of the article I am willing to cut the nominator some slack on that point.
Recommend IAR the nomination date and going with the original hook, as most interesting. Catrìona (talk) 02:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
