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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:12, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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Douglass T. Greene

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  • ALT1: ... that Douglass T. Greene was a graduate, son and father of 3 graduates of West Point, was a commanding officer during WW 1 and WW 2, is buried at West Point and never saw a single day of combat?

Created by N0TABENE (talk). Self-nominated at 19:55, 27 March 2016 (UTC).

  • Well, it's new enough, and long enough, and the article is neutral. But I don't see an inline citation for "never commanded soldiers in combat" in the article, and "never saw a single day of combat" isn't mentioned in the article at all. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 01:20, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @Howicus: I revised the content in the lead and the body, added another citation to support both hooks. Thanks for reviewing. Regards NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk 14:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
N0TABENE, neither of those sources state that he never held a combat command, though. I'd suggest either finding a source that specifically backs up the hook, or figuring out another hook that the sources do directly support. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 00:04, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

- @N0TABENE: Please don't forget about this, this has now been waiting over a week. Are you able to provide another hook or a source for the original one? ツStacey (talk) 11:09, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

  • @Howicus: @Staceydolxx:. My apologies for the delay - I was preparing and giving lectures to a Virginia Military Forum. The statement with 2 refs that supports the first hook is in the last line of the Military Career section:
All of his military posting were within the United States, and he never was assigned to active combat. During World War I, he was an instructor at West Point, and during World War II he was assigned to training troops within the continental Unites States. Ref. 2 [1] shows the various posting that he had which are all within the United States (therefore was not in command of combat troops) during both World Wars, although the summary phrase I used does not appear, to avoid either plagiarism or paraphrasing. However, the summary statement I included in the article and the hook seems to be clearly supported. Would adding each of the posting within the United States make it clearer? I think it would be unnecessary detail for the article, but will add it if it clarifies the hook as written?
Another option is to shorted ALT1 to:
which seems less interesting. I am amenable to any suggestions for improvement. Thanks. NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk 17:16, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
  • @Howicus: @Staceydolxx: I have come up with another hook that is more directly referenced and I think is more interesting:
ALT3: ... that Major General Douglass T. Greene was consecutively commander of the 12th Armored Division for only 4 weeks and then was Deputy Commander of the Second United States Army for just 3 weeks during World War II? NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk 14:39, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
  • N0TABENE, while I like the idea behind ALT3, the hook is 212 characters, which is over the 200 ceiling. (Is there a reason why "commander" is lowercase but "Deputy Commander" is capitalized?) Cutting "only" and "just" wouldn't quite get you down to 200, so I'd like to suggest a new ALT with the same basic idea that comes in at 194 characters:
  • BlueMoonset That works for me. I used a lower case for "commander" since it is not an actual title but his role, his title was "Commanding General" of the Division, whereas "Deputy Commander" was the functional title of the position per the source. Thank you Stacey, Howicus and BlueMoonset NotaBene 鹰百利 Talk 19:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
ALT 4 is sourced within the article (though the dates from the source make it an 8 week period - I don't think anyone would object to my change to this). Howicus did the rest of the review so this is now ready to go. ツStacey (talk) 18:49, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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