Template:Did you know nominations/Edris Allen, Harold Egbert Allan
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:13, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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Edris Allan, Harold Egbert Allan[edit]
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... that Edris Allan, wife of Sir Harold Allan the first Afro-Jamaican to be knighted, was the first telephone operator for the Jamaica All Island Telephone Service?Source: "Jamaica's first truly coloured Lady, Edris Elaine Allan, outstanding widow of Jamaica's first coloured Knight, late Sir Harold Egbert Allan" (p.1) "...distinguished herself as being the first Operator to launch the All-Island Jamaica Telephone System..." (p.8)[1]- ALT1:
... that Lady Edris and Sir Harold Allan, the first Afro-Jamaican to be knighted and who introduced motion pictures to Portland Parish, owned and managed the Capitol Theatre in Port Antonio?Source: "Source: "Jamaica's first truly coloured Lady, Edris Elaine Allan, outstanding widow of Jamaica's first coloured Knight, late Sir Harold Egbert Allan" (p.1)[2] "She also finds time to carry out the busy task of running the Capitol Theatre in Port Antonio, established in 1919 by her late husband who introduced motion pictures to Portland.[3]/"In 1919, he introduced motion pictures to Portland ... assistance that Lady Allan was able to provide her husband in management of the family business"[4]
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- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alfred Jerger and Template:Did you know nominations/Soham El Wardini
- Comment: Please run in February during Black History Month
Created by SusunW (talk) and Ritchie333 (talk). Nominated by SusunW (talk) at 20:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC).
- Reviews:
- Edris Allan – new enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Image is fair use. QPQ done.
- Harold Egbert Allan – new enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Image is fair use. QPQ done.
- As to the hook, both are rather wordy and convoluted. The thing I don't like about ALT0, which is shorter, is that you're talking about a woman and identifying her with her husband's accomplishment. ALT1 is talking about way too many accomplishments. What do you think about separate nominations? She is notable for one thing and he for another. I also suggest piping her link to "Lady Edris Allan". Yoninah (talk) 22:09, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Yoninah Thanks for looking at them so quickly. The deal is that they were a political power couple. No source at the time used that phrase, but a lot of them pointed out that his recognition did not occur until after they married and she took on the management behind the scenes. Were there a way to acknowledge her service to the government, I would gladly do it, but they didn't pay her, didn't let her collect a pension and pretty much ignored "her" years of service on their behalf. I think in light of that, they should be together. (I also tried to be mindful of errors and as she was married (1941) but wasn't a lady (1948) when the phone company launched (1945), so I didn't call her that in 0. I also know diddly about nobility and don't know if it is proper to call her Lady Edris, or Lady Allan.) What about:
- ALT2: that Edris Allan, the first telephone operator for the Jamaica All Island Telephone Service, married Sir Harold Allan, the first Afro-Jamaican to be knighted?
- You know I don't care how it gets tweaked ;). Maybe Ritchie333 has ideas? SusunW (talk) 22:47, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Yoninah Thanks for looking at them so quickly. The deal is that they were a political power couple. No source at the time used that phrase, but a lot of them pointed out that his recognition did not occur until after they married and she took on the management behind the scenes. Were there a way to acknowledge her service to the government, I would gladly do it, but they didn't pay her, didn't let her collect a pension and pretty much ignored "her" years of service on their behalf. I think in light of that, they should be together. (I also tried to be mindful of errors and as she was married (1941) but wasn't a lady (1948) when the phone company launched (1945), so I didn't call her that in 0. I also know diddly about nobility and don't know if it is proper to call her Lady Edris, or Lady Allan.) What about:
- @SusunW and Yoninah:, I like the suggested ALT2. I wish there was a way to work in "power couple," though. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:50, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Me too Megalibrarygirl, but that is a much more modern phrase. At the time, she was just a wife, doing what wives were "supposed to do", i.e. supporting the furtherance of his career. SusunW (talk) 22:52, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- @SusunW: I like ALT2 a lot. But I don't see the hook fact for "first Afro-Jamaican to be knighted" in either of the citations in the Harold Egbert Allan article. Yoninah (talk) 23:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Me too Megalibrarygirl, but that is a much more modern phrase. At the time, she was just a wife, doing what wives were "supposed to do", i.e. supporting the furtherance of his career. SusunW (talk) 22:52, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
