Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Casson

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by MPJ-DK 10:41, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Elizabeth Casson[edit]

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... that the pioneering occupational therapist Elizabeth Casson only started to study medicine at the age of 32?

ALT1:... that Elizabeth Casson set up an occupational therapy school with funds borrowed from her brother Lewis?
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Liborio Vidal Aguilar

5x expanded by Worm That Turned (talk) and Staceydolxx (talk). Nominated by Worm That Turned (talk) at 09:51, 10 August 2016 (UTC).

The original hook is so-so, ALT1 is not very interesting. Why not make it clear that the school she set up was the first of its kind in the UK? Gatoclass (talk) 06:14, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
I generally find "first" hooks to be quite uninteresting, but that's just personal taste. That said, what do you think of ALT2?
ALT2:... that the United Kingdom's first occupational therapy school was set up by Elizabeth Casson (pictured), where students would learn both medical subjects and practical activities such as basket-weaving?

I tweaked it slightly as I don't think "UK" is acceptable in a hook. I haven't time to verify it right now though. Gatoclass (talk) 16:04, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Worm That Turned, I struck ALT2 because I think it too long. How would you feel about adding a year to ALT1? Gatoclass (talk) 12:35, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Have done so. Worm^TT(talk) 12:46, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

@Worm That Turned: the image licence is for "author's life plus 70 years or less" but the template lists the author as "unknown". Also, how do I know this was registered with the US copyright office before 1923? Gatoclass (talk) 13:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
You're absolutely right, I believe I've mucked up here. I'll have a look into the history of the image in the morning to make sure it has the right licensing information, it might be that it shouldn't be on commons or the main page. Worm^TT(talk) 20:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
I've removed the image from the nomination, I'll be removing it from commons shortly. After a few days searching, I can't see why I thought it fit that PD licence, I'll be re-adding it as a fair use image. Worm^TT(talk) 08:35, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. A couple more comments - firstly, you don't seem to have done a QPQ, and secondly, the article states that Casson set up an occupational therapy centre with funds from her brother Lewis rather than a school per ALT1, so that issue also needs to be resolved. Gatoclass (talk) 13:19, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
As previously discussed. I have done the review as I contributed to the article - A link has provided for the review I did. I have changed ALT1 wording to reflect the issue you have found - thank you for noticing that mistake. Just so we are clear, are you doing the review or do we need to request one - this long dialogue might put people off considering it for review? ツStacey (talk) 14:10, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Of course I am doing the review, Staceydolxx, why else do you think I have spent so much time on it? And wait - I see the QPQ now. I must have missed it because I was looking for a blue link and it wasn't linked, my apologies. I have linked it now. I don't have time to complete this review now though because I am about to log off for the day. Gatoclass (talk) 18:43, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

One thing I will add before logging off - ALT2 as it is now isn't terribly compelling. How about adding the word "early" as in "early occupational therapy centre"? Gatoclass (talk) 18:56, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I don't want to spend any more time on this nomination so I'm not going to wait any longer for a reply to my suggestion above. I have restored the word "school" to ALT1 as I found a couple of sources in the article which appear to confirm that. Both hooks are verified, the first by WP:AGF. Gatoclass (talk) 11:12, 23 August 2016 (UTC)