Template:Did you know nominations/Ernst Christoph Dressler

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:37, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Ernst Christoph Dressler[edit]

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... that Ludwig van Beethoven's earliest published work consisted of nine variations on a march by Ernst Christoph Dressler? Source: "Owing to a lack of documentary evidence concerning Beethoven's compositional activities before 1782, it is particularly difficult to assess the extent of his abilities prior to the publication of his first composition, 'Nine Variations on a March by Ernst Christoph Dressler', WoO 63." Gary E. McPherson, Musical Prodigies

Reviewed: Exempt, as I have fewer than five DYK credits

Created by Scolaire (talk). Self-nominated at 10:35, 11 May 2019 (UTC).

Ready to review later. Can we say a bit about him, not only Beethoven? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Ludwig van Beethoven's earliest published work consisted of nine variations on a march by Ernst Christoph Dressler, an opera singer and violinist who worked for several German nobles?
ALT2: ... that Ludwig van Beethoven's earliest published work consisted of nine variations on a march by Ernst Christoph Dressler, an 18th-century opera singer, violinist, composer and music theorist?

Thank you for the ALTs, better. But first to the article. Interesting facts, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. Please tell me why the article name is Dressler, while one source calls him Dreßler, and another the family Dresler, and I see Dressler nowhere? How about using bmlo and Kutsch? Next: can you structure the article a bit more? History - writings - compositions - the Beethoven piece. That he was a tenor comes late, should be in the lead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

The article as of now has six refs. Of the four German refs, two use Dressler and two Dreßler. The English-language one uses Dressler, while the French one, for whatever reason, uses Dresler. That's a clear majority for Dressler (your bmlo uses "Dressler (Dreßler)"). But actually the reason it's there is because a page I was reading had "Ernst Christoph Dressler" as a red link, and I decided it was worth a short article.

I don't see myself doing any further work on the article. Classical music is not my forte, and especially not opera. I created the article, as I say, because I thought he deserved one, and I nominated it for DYK in the hope that someone like you would notice it and improve it. Thank you for your comments. I've added "tenor" to the lead Scolaire (talk) 14:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, understand. If I do too much I can't aprove (my then own work), - I hope you understand my little dilemma. I'll see what we can do. A shame he has nothing in German - be proud! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

There's no hurry. It'll be rejected or it'll appear; then you'll be free to do what you like with it. Yes, I was amazed that there was a Catalan and an Italian article, but not a German one. Scolaire (talk) 15:24, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Fine, I added the two sources and added a few bits, not much, but enough to make me uneasy about also approving it. I am sure soemone will do that eventually ;)

ALT3: ... that Ernst Christoph Dressler, an 18th-century operatic tenor, violinist, composer and music theorist, composed a march on which Beethoven based his earliest published work?

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:55, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

I would be more than happy with ALT3. Scolaire (talk) 14:51, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

. I will approve ALT3 as good to go to get this out the way.18:14, 16 June 2019 (UTC)Felixkrater (talk)