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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 06:31, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

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Feriz Beg[edit]

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  • ... that the first mention of the name Sarajevo was in a 1507 letter written by Feriz Beg?

Created by Antidiskriminator (talk). Self nominated at 00:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC).

  • Checked for newness, size, QPQ and copy-vio. Hook is within policy and cited inline. —Vensatry (ping) 19:19, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Article requires significant copyediting. I've made an attempt but I need more info from the nominator to do anymore:
  • What is Feriz Beg's surname? BLPs are normally referred by their surname after the first mention of their name.
  • When did his predecessor Jahja Pasha rule? According to the article, there is an overlap.
  • Why was the street named after him renamed in 1945 and why did the name return after Bosnia got independence?
  • If you want to develop the article further consider translating info from the Bosnian version of it. [[1]]. Cowlibob (talk) 12:03, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for copyediting. Here are my replies:
    • Turkish_name#Given_names explains that until 1934 Turkish (I believe it should also say Ottoman) citizens had no surname. Ottoman noble people were known by their first name and title. Ali Pasha, Kasim Bey, ... In case of Feriz Beg the Serbian language sources mention Mihaloglu or Mihajlović as his surname. That means his native family name was Mihajlović, but since he was Ottoman citizen he gave it up and adopted Muslim name and Muslim title. Vast majority of sources I found on this person do not mention his surname so I did not use it in the title of the article. I think it would not be mistake to rename it to Feriz Mihaloglu and leave Feriz Mihajlović as his native name, but I still think that Feriz Beg is much more common in English language sources.
    • I fixed the overlap with Jahja Pasha.
    • Renaming of the streets is usually politically motivated, but I did not find explanation in sources.
    • Thanks for the advice. Bosniac language wikipedia used two offline sources. The sources I found have much more text on this person.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
@Antidiskriminator: Thanks for the clarifications. I think it's ok for Feriz Beg to remain as it's the most well known version of his name. Could you add sources for the street name change after secession and also the bit about "all his buildings being destroyed but the hammam still remains"? I added the 1992 bit as that's when Bosnia declared independence but correct me if you meant something different by secession. Cowlibob (talk) 13:46, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Cowlibob It is very good you asked for source. I read somewhere that all of his buildings were destroyed, but now, after additional research I found an exceptional source which says that his hammam was operational until 1810. I added citations and also citation for street name change. Thank you very much for your efforts here.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Good work on this article. I retract my earlier objection. Cowlibob (talk) 16:18, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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