Template:Did you know nominations/Francisc Rainer

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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 03:18, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Francisc Rainer[edit]

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... that Romanian pathologist Francisc Rainer (pictured) correctly diagnosed himself with lung cancer, predicted the time of his death, and left instructions as to his embalming?

ALT1:... that during his fieldwork in a rural locality, Romanian anthropologist Francisc Rainer (pictured) found that up to 50% of local blood samples were tainted with syphilis?
ALT2:... that anthropologist Francisc Rainer (pictured) carried out anthropometric research in Romanian villages "although he was not an adept of racial science and had no idea of what [this data would] be used for"?
Reviewed: Momba Station

Created by Biruitorul (talk), Dahn (talk). Nominated by Dahn (talk) at 12:46, 25 June 2014 (UTC).

I have just one quibble with this nomination: there is not a reference to the sentence saying that he diagnosed himself with lung cancer. Please add a citation to that sentence specifically. I prefer the original hook and did not check the sourcing for the alts. In the hook I changed "properly" to "correctly" and removed the wikilink to "embalming" as unnecessary. I am assuming good faith on all the references since they are offline and (I suspect) may not be in in English. For that reason I am unable to check for copyvio/paraphrasing and will have to AGF on that as well; the care with which the article was constructed gives me confidence on that score. The article is plenty long enough. I find the timing of the nomination to be OK, but that was tricky. The article was actually written 8 days before being nominated. But starting the next day, the two authors expanded it more than five-fold, so I find that it qualifies as an expansion and was nominated timely on that basis. QPQ was done. Image is public domain. I congratulate the authors for creating the type of article that is sadly lacking at Wikipedia (scientists of the pre-internet age) and I hope they will work on converting some of the article's redlinks to articles as well. --MelanieN (talk) 19:25, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. As a matter of fact, User:Biruitorul seems to have a large redlink-filling project for Romanian scientists and academics, and has recently bandwagoned me here and on a few other pieces. Rainer is, more or less, a spin-off from Grigore T. Popa.

As for chronology, I added the article to the date when it was written, which was June 17, and that, I believe, is within the focus of DYK entries.

Although I believe it's a bit too literal to expect the sentence, rather than the fact, have a citation (the citation for it was a sentence away in the same paragraph), I did add it there as well. It is to Riga & Călin, p.99, where they say (my translation): "Some have said [he had] pharyngitis; a recurring paresis, said Rainer who gave himself a diagnosis of pulmonary neoplasm well before being examined by specialists." (The paresis thing is what he said to his family, as specified by the source on pages 99 and 100, and as consequently rendered in our bio.) Dahn (talk) 20:58, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Good to go. I agree that was awfully nit-picky, but I recently got nailed for the same issue, and it DOES say it is required at DYK:Rules: "The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it, since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." --MelanieN (talk) 21:41, 28 June 2014 (UTC)