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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 10:20, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

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Franz-Peter Weixler

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  • ... that Franz-Peter Weixler was convicted for sharing uncensored pictures of the Massacre of Kondomari in Crete, the originals of which were later burned in Berlin? Sources: [1] "On This Day June 2, 1941: Brutal Nazi Massacre of Cretan Village - The Pappas Post". The Pappas Post. 2 June 2019. [2] Weixler, Franz Peter. "Information supplied by Franz Peter Weixler / GOERING CASE". lawcollections.library.cornell.edu. Cornell University Library.
Created by Amkgp (talk). Self-nominated at 19:37, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm seeing substantial verifiability problems here. "Books on Demand" seems to be a self-publishing company, meaning it's not a reliable source. There are also large unsourced sections. I also feel there are concerns with neutrality; the subject of this article was a member of the SS, worked for the German army in World War II, which implies he was a Nazi, but the article doesn't even use that word. I'm not seeing the hook explicitly supported by the body of the article, and in the lead it's cited to the problematic source already mentioned. Article is new enough, long enough, etc, but if these issues aren't fixed I'm afraid I'm going to have to fail this. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Vanamonde93, Firstly, thanks for the review. In the section Period of National Socialism, the paragraph starts with In 1933 Weixler became a member of the NSDAP and the SS. The Wikipedia article NSDAP says The National Socialist German Workers' Party[a] (abbreviated in German as NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party.
New references added to both unsourced and sourced claims after extensive search. They are as follows:
Please let me know if anything else can be added or improvements. Also, I added two more hook sources. Thank you. ~ Amkgp 💬 19:34, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Some of those sources still leave something to be desired; I'm not certain about HistoryNet and Pappaspost. Also, the self-published source is still present in the article. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Vanamonde93, I have tried to add what ever reliable I believe is available currently. More than a dozen sources are still available but are all derived from BoD books so I have not added them. I leave the decision upon the reviewers. Thank you ~ Amkgp 💬 21:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Vanamonde93 Do you suggest to remove the BoD books from references of the hook? I feel the BoD sources can be removed from references in article and add them under 'Publications' if you are OK with it. ~ Amkgp 💬 21:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: Removed the self-publishing source (BOD books) as reference both from article and hook and added it as a publication. ~ Amkgp 💬 19:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
@Amkgp: There's now a large unsourced section; also, could you please provide a quote from the source supporting the hook, because neither historynet nor the pappaspost source support the entire hook text? Vanamonde (Talk) 21:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: Please see

Weixler’s negatives from Kondomari were discovered in 1980 in the federal German archives by the Greek journalist Vassos Mathiopoulos, who was unaware of the actual location of the shootings they depicted. The negatives’ connection to the events at Kondomari was later established via extensive research by journalist Kostas Papapetrou, after which Weixler’s photographs became widely known

— "On This Day In 1941: The Massacre Of Kondomari, Crete". Greek City Times. 2 June 2020.
. Source added to the hook. Reference added to un-sourced section ~ Amkgp 💬 06:32, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Sorry, but "Weixler's photos became widely known" does not translate to "Weixler was known for his photos". Also, I'm a little worried you're not hearing my verifiability concerns. When I pointed out that Books on Demand was not a reliable publisher, you removed that source, and left some content unsourced; when I pointed out that the content was unsourced, you've just reinstated the BoD source! Everything in the article needs to be cited to sources that are acceptable for that information, and the hook needs to be supported explicitly. I would suggest dropping the problematic line from the article, and fashioning a hook out of his activities as a photographer; possibly the fact that he was tried for sharing uncensored pictures? Vanamonde (Talk) 17:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: Removed the section from article that relied on BoD source and re-written the hook with verified sources. ~ Amkgp 💬 19:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Much better, but the problematic sentence is still in the lead, and the new hook is only partially in the article; there's nothing about negatives or retrieval of copies. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:37, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: Rewritten lead and information about negatives and retrieval added in section 'Period of National Socialism' ~ Amkgp 💬 05:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
The verifiability problem has been addressed to my satisfaction, but I suggest you trim the hook to just the first factoid, or the first two. The friend in Athens is very hard to work in an a manner that isn't confusing; I hadn't realized before that the negatives were retrieved many decades later, which makes it only tangentially relevant to the first bit. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: Removed the confusing last part. Is it OK now? ~ Amkgp 💬 17:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Hook is okay now, passing per above comments. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC) Addendum; I don't think the image should be used, because it's not obvious that it is of the massacre. I have therefore commented it out. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but the article doesn't mention Berlin and says he was arrested, not convicted. Instead of putting Massacre of Kondomari under "See also", please pipe it in the sentence about the shooting in the village in Crete.
  • There are a few sentences in the article that don't make sense:
  • On June 2, 1941, he used a series of photos to document the shooting of 23 unarmed Greek civilians in the small Cretan village of Kondomari by German soldiers, which they named in retaliation for alleged Greek atrocities by German paratroopers. – who are "they"? The Germans? The Greeks? Or should it be "he named"?
  • Weixler was denounced and arrested in March 1944 on charges of treason and continued military morale to the Munich prison Neudeck spent. – the ending doesn't make sense. And are the italicized words a direct quote from the source? Then they should be in quotes, and an inline cite given at the end of the sentence.
  • Yoninah (talk) 15:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah:, Please find the resolutions point-wise:
  • Changed from convicted → arrested. Included Berlin in article (Berlin is mentioned in testimony as per ref). Additionally, piped "Massacre of Kondomari' in the sentence at article as suggested.
  • It should be 'he'. Thanks for pointing out.
  • Nope, I did not find it as a direct quote.
Hope, its OK now. Thank you. ~ Amkgp 💬 16:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
  • @Amkgp: please rewrite this sentence so it makes sense: Weixler was denounced and arrested in March 1944 on charges of treason and continued military morale to the Munich prison Neudeck spent. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:11, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
  • I have also tagged "CSU" -- what does that stand for? Yoninah (talk) 22:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Rewritten sentence as follows Weixler was denounced and arrested in March 1944 on charges of treason and was sent to the Munich prison, Neudeck (suburbs of Munich). After the relevant files were burned at Berlin[9] during the war, the legal process was delayed until the end of the war and Weixler avoided being convicted.[10]. CSU stands for Christian Social Union in Bavaria. Added the wikilink to the "CSU" in article. Hope it all well to go now. ~ Amkgp 💬 02:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you, all is in order now. Restoring tick per Vanamonde's review. Yoninah (talk) 10:17, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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