Template:Did you know nominations/Fremlin's Brewery

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The result was: rejected by Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:43, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
This is clearly past its sell by date. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:43, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Fremlin's Brewery[edit]

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... that Fremlin's Brewery produced bottled beer because the owner didn't like drinking in pubs? Source: "... set up by a devout Christian, Ralph Fremlin ... He soon sold its ten pubs. He targeted the home trade where he believed the tonic value of his family ales could be enjoyed in moderation. Bottle labels emphasised their purity." Glover, Brian (2013). The Lost Beers & Breweries of Britian. p.50 Amberley Publishing Limited. ISBN 978-1-445-62049-7

Reviewed: Operation Candid

Created by Ritchie333 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:49, 3 April 2017 (UTC).

New enough, long enough, article sourced sufficiently and is well written. QPQ provided and looks okay. Ritchie333 the only challenge I see is that the article does not state that he did not like drinking in pubs and that's why he sold the pubs. It states they were sold and that he targeted home drinking, but that is not all the hook claims. MPJ-DK 00:01, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

@MPJ-DK: It might not be obvious from the specific citations, but from reading various sources and the linked website, they all say that Ralph Fremlin did not want to sell to pubs because he thought it was religiously wrong. I've added a sentence to the article clarifying this. This is a lot stronger than simply saying he "didn't like drinking in pubs", but stating the blunt facts is less "hooky" in my view. I can't think of anything else that leaps out particularly as being suitable myself. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:12, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Also - No copyright violations or other issues. If you can find a hook that is supported by the article we'd be good to go. MPJ-DK 00:24, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

New reviewer needed to determine whether the new sourcing is adequate to support the hook. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:58, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

By going through all of the sources, I did not find one which support "the owner didn't like drinking in pubs". Rather, it says that the owner did not sell because he found public houses "sinful". We need to align hook to sources. - Vivvt (Talk) 06:57, 14 May 2017 (UTC)