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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 14:47, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

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Goat tower

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round brick tower with ramp spiralling from ground to roof and goats standing on the ramp
A goat tower in Illinois
  • ... that many goat towers (example pictured) have become tourist attractions? Source: multiple mentions in article, each with its own different source
    • ALT1: ... that the first goat tower (example pictured) was built in Portugal in the 19th century? Source: [1] "Sometime in the 19th century...he tucked his Torre das Cabras away in a leafy enclave"
  • Comment: Any chance we could IAR and run this on May 4 for reasons I'm embarrassed to explain?
    I for one am dying to hear. EEng 17:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
It's my daughter's birthday. She actually was disappointed that while she was home for the Christmas holiday we couldn't drive five hours across frozen cornfields to go see the pictured goat tower. I'd love to be able to send her a link to that photo on the main page as a little birthday surprise. Sorry not to have it be something more titillating. :) --valereee (talk) 14:34, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
It’s a charming reason. EEng 16:13, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
But it’ll cost you $1000 for your kid not to find out about... this. EEng 20:55, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
You don't scare me. I once stood in a pediatrician's office with her, and the receptionist asked, "Birth date?" And I (in my defense, I was distracted) said, "11-21-98." And my daughter (about 10) said, "Not one of those numbers is correct." A decade later she told her father, "That's when I knew I was alone." --valereee (talk) 02:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Improved to Good Article status by Valereee (talk). Self-nominated at 15:51, 16 February 2020 (UTC).


  • if with the original candidate hook. (However, "DYKtickAGF" if with Alt1 hook.)
  • Newness: Promoted to GA on 10 February; nominated here on 10 February: fine.
  • Length: Obviously adequate for promotion to GA on 10 February.
  • First hook: Interestingness of the hook is a tough one: plenty of DYKs don't interest me (sorry!); this one does interest me; I can't speak for the masses. But this is a DYK that cries out for a photo, and the photo provided should appeal. Brevity and formatting of the hook: Fine. Veracity of the hook: As stated in the nomination, there are a number of these towers that are tourist attractions, and the sources back up the individual claims.
  • Alt1 hook: Interestingness of the hook: same comment as for the first hook. Again, this is a DYK that cries out for a photo, and the photo provided should appeal. Brevity and formatting of the hook: Fine. Veracity of the hook: I regret that I cannot judge this. Three sources are given. One of them, the article in Modern Farmer, strongly suggests that this was the first such tower but doesn't quite come out and say so -- and even if it did, it seems a somewhat dodgy source for such a claim. (Its author is not, for example, interviewing some prof who's a folly expert.) The other two sources are unavailable to me: there are Wayback links to pages with no text, so I'd need access to a library that had the printed originals.
  • Image: The reviewing guide says "Ensure the image has rollover text (wikicoded the same way that a caption would be)." I don't fully understand this, but as I view the image, it has no rollover text. (That matter aside, everything about the image is fine.) Appropriately copyleft; not problematic in any way.
  • Policy: The reviewing guide says "Check the article to make sure there are no dispute templates." Perhaps "dispute" is too strong a word, but the article does read in part (and after reference-stripping): The tower is three stories with stone walls and a spiral wooden ramp and is one of five follies on the winery's estate for which their Follies range of wines are named.{{explain|reason=EEng doesn't understand what this is saying}}; and I suppose that as long as that template is there, the article can't be used. The template puzzles me, because the meaning of the questioned text is very clear to me: (i) The winery has five follies. (ii) It sells a range of wines named "Follies". (iii) The "Follies" are so named because of the follies. (iv) This tower is one of the follies. EEng (or anyone), where's the difficulty?
  • QPQ. I don't know. (Valereee, please say.) I infer from Valereee's user page that the quid is Template:Did you know nominations/Sony α7S II.

-- Hoary (talk) 13:54, 18 February 2020 (UTC) amended about QPQ 13:58, 18 February 2020 (UTC) amended about image 22:39, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

In answer to the ping: I don’t know what a “range” of wines is. EEng 14:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
I've just now googled "sells a range of wines", and up popped such sentences as "J Garcia Carrion (JGC) is a Spanish company which makes and sells a range of wines including sparkling wines." Wiktionary, range (noun), sense 3: "Selection, array" (example: "We sell a wide range of cars"). Of course idiolects differ, but in my own this is a humdrum use of a humdrum word. -- Hoary (talk) 14:24, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Obviously I know what a “range of products” or “range of cosmetics” is — a variety. What seems peculiar is a named “range” e.g. “their Follies range of wines”. Is that anything like saying “their Follies line of wines” or “their Follies brand of wines”? EEng 16:25, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
That's how I was intending to use it -- their line or brand, one of multiple lines or brands. I thought range was what it was called, but I might have made that up. :) --valereee (talk) 16:28, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to change it to 'their Follies label is named.' And yes, that's the QPQ, thanks! Meant to go find it and forgot --valereee (talk) 14:32, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
And, hm, I don't know what that image instruction means. Huh. That's a little embarrassing. :) I've asked at talk! --valereee (talk) 14:46, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for asking there. At least if you are using a recentish, mainstream browser, what's meant is not "rollover text". It's instead alternative ("alt") text: text that will be visible not on top of an image but instead of an image. And this has of course been provided. I'm therefore striking my comment above about "rollover text". -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm wondering if that's outdated instruction/wording that should be updated. --valereee (talk) 22:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
The "Explain" template has now gone and the other little mysteries have evaporated, so this is good to go. (That's my comment as a reviewer. As a mere editor, I'd add: There's no rush. May 4 seems a good date to post this among the DYK list on the main page.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:51, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing! --valereee (talk) 23:05, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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